China where it started ,83,000 / USA now <400,000 How come ?

by smiddy3 36 Replies latest jw friends

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  Simon

  The Pope is a Catholic.

  Bears shit in the woods.

  I like to combine those sayings and ask "does the pope shit in the woods?!". People always nod but then look confused.

  The simple explanation is "where are you getting your numbers?". We simply cannot trust anything that China and the WHO tell us.

  Also, China can respond aggressively because they don't care about their citizens who have zero rights.

  There's evidence that they have many more missing people than they claim (from abandoned cell-phone subscriptions for instance)
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  road to nowhere

  I still dont know anyone tested. Of course the hall had 5 cases by rumor. Every sneeze. they didnt count elder talks a lot who came to do his part and left early. I suspect he really did and is the local distributor
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  RubaDub

  I think there is under reporting everywhere.

  We still have drive-thru testing places that require you to be 65 years old and have symptoms to even qualify for a test.

  In other words, if you don't get tested, based upon reported numbers, you don't have it. So I guess if we stopped testing altogether then the number of new cases would rapidly drop towards zero.

  Reported new cases are just a function of the sample size being tested. If 10% of people being tested have the disease, do we extrapolate that percentage across the population since many people have no immediate symptoms?

  I don't have the answer but it would be interesting to take a control group of let's say a geographic area of 5,000 people in a town that has a 10% positive rate when tested and actually test all 5,000 people.

  It would be interesting to see how many actually have, have had or are carriers of the virus.

  Rub a Dub
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  JoenB75

  Maybe the real number in China is only 8 million
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  eyeuse2badub

  I have a "hunch" China is lying but The USA would never tell a lie! Just a "hunch" though!

  just saying!
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  LongHairGal

  RUB A DUB:

  I suspect almost everybody has been exposed to it.. I suspected over a month ago that the virus was more airborne than they think.

  I know it’s frustrating that everybody can’t be tested immediately. I haven’t been tested either..I wish I had a magic wand to manufacture millions of tests, distribute them everywhere, get millions of people in an orderly fashion to whatever centers that are set up for this, have the technicians to process it, etc. This is a tall order even for a small country!

  If they did the random test they would probably find, like you say, that some have had it (and maybe didn’t know it) and others are carriers.

  Just for everybody’s information: I heard of somebody who tested positive. The results were sent to the Board of Health. Guess what? The Board of Health sent notices to the housing development where this person lives (anonymized of course) warning them that a person there has this, etc..So, it’s not confidential.
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  JimmyYoung

  Because the Chinese lie like a rug.
  
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  Simon

  I suspect almost everybody has been exposed to it.

  That makes no sense. If it were true, why would the number of cases and deaths go up or down depending on whether people were isolating themselves or not?

  It makes sense to limit tests to people most likely to have it, once more immediate and widespread testing is available then more people can get tested and restrictions can gradually be rolled back.
  
  
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  LongHairGal

  SIMON:

  I was sick in January and wonder if it was in the US before they thought it was.

  I agree that people most likely should be tested first, but many people are complaining saying this is ‘unfair’. So everybody can’t be pleased.

  There are those who look at the number of deaths of doctors and health care workers, and wonder if it has to do with them being exposed to large amounts of the virus continuously..and their system can’t fight it.

  Some wonder if people just exposed briefly to small amounts of the virus, they may not know this or even get sick(?). Just speculation. I have also heard of some who supposedly isolated themselves as much as possible and came down with it. And who is to say how they got it? But, I do believe that everybody should practice social distancing themselves as much as possible..if only to lower the odds of being exposed.
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  mikeflood

  Oh...it was because China is an authoritarian regime and besides lying about the numbers they really enforced the lockdown...just in Wuhan was 76 days!

  Remember South Korea too, the managed to control the virus through checking a lot of people and isolating sick people and their contacts.