by RubaDub 35 Replies latest jw friends
Trump wants to ban export to Canada. NYTimes has a story of a Mr. Feldheim? being caught by the FBI importing masks from Canada to NJ and reselling them in US.
During WW2 IBM build computers for the Bismarck, the Holocaust, NCR (National Cash Register) build clockworks for the Flack grenades , to shoot down Boeings.
You can not get mad at a corporation. They will save your mothers life is it makes them a dime or slit her throat if it makes them a dime. Money is the bottom line of any successful corp. It would be like getting mad that a tiger bit your arm off. Its what they do. What you should be mad at and this is coming form a moderate Republican is be mad at the political system that does not regulate them. The idea of Laissez faire Capitalism regulating itself is ridiculous. It does not work no more than Communism works. The lefts idea to punish business just because they make money is just as stupid. To successfully regulate business the only way is to take out money of elections. Stop allowing corporations giving money or even non profits, no pac money nothing but an individual giving up to say 1500 dollars. People V United was one of the worst SC rulings in a while.
What you should be mad at and this is .....the political system that does not regulate them.
Jimmy ...
I disagree. I think there are many corporations that have a social conscious. Many that "could" steal but don't. Many that "could" do illegal things but don't have to have someone looking over their back to "do the right thing".
Do you need regulation? Absolutely. But I am not that cynical that all corporations are as evil as you present it.
Rub a Dub
Its not the point that some may have a CEO that wants to do the right thing. Do you really want to depend on some CEO and his good will? That is ridiculous, regulation is the only way to hold their feet to the fire. What you are saying is tantamount to there are alot of people who don't want to rob banks so we don't need laws making it illegal.
waton, you are mistaken about those companies making stuff for the Nazis during World War 2. The computers and other devices were ordered, paid for and shipped, with US government approval, long before the war began.
For example, construction on the Bismarck began in July, 1936. It was launched in February, 1939. IBM's German subsidiary did supply the German government with computers and a punch card system to facilitate their 1933 census, but this information was only years later used to enable the Holocaust. The US branch did not work with the Germans during the war.
This is analogous to the weapons and other equipment sent to our former "friends" and now being used against us. I wish there were some sort of self-destruct mechanism we could imbed in stuff like that, especially fighter jets and missiles. Now there's an idea!
utr: of course, all facilities were commandeered by the german war effort. NCR headquarters in the USA would have no say what their factory in Berlin would produce, like the timers to set off the shells at the right heights.
Nice too, that that facility, a nice visible target, was never precision bombed. Family worked there and at Hollerith bsw. Corporations were great entities for research and efficient production. how their product are sold and employed is another matter, often out of their control.
That isn't 3M's fault, that is government's fault. It's specifically the fault of the states who didn't have enough reserves of such vital and basic equipment and in some cases even gave what they had away. Some are likely still hoarding it for their own use.
Questions to ask are: who decided not to buy enough? Who decided not to have control over manufacturing and supply chain of such vital equipment?
Someone was paid to plan for this and now we find, just like with the WHO, that we've been pissing money away on BS.
That isn't 3M's fault
Simon ...
So if I place an order for what most would consider life-saving equipment, you accept the order and then in the middle of production, someone from another country comes. They hold up cash and you sell it them instead.
You're saying that's the buyer's fault?
Rub a Dub
Let's forget the hyperbole, and focus on the facts.
Unless someone has a contract to supply set amounts at set dates, then the seller can decide who they supply first. This happens all the time - if you imagine you get the same deal and consideration when buying one thing vs Amazon wanting to buy a warehouse full, you're naive.
With the masks, it's a sellers market. Even if people have contracts, the come-back they have, if any, is probably some penalty fees for late delivery.
Again, it comes down to the fact that certain people didn't ensure that they had adequate supply. Placing an order for something only when there is massive demand isn't ensuring supply, they are trying to push the blame onto 3M when the blame is with the states and the healthcare administrators who were all asleep at the wheel.
Guess what you need to do if you want to get priority even though you only thought to order late? You pay a premium.
You're listening to the guy who messed up try to push the blame onto someone else, and you're swallowing it hook line and sinker.
You should be angry at the people responsible.
For what it's worth, Trump says he is pissed and said 3M will pay the price. He signed some war powers act or something and said he can force them to manufacture the masks.
I guess we will see.
Rub a Dub
