Jehovah's Witnesses Are Under Mind Control (page 15)

garybuss


	From the desk of Karl Kiss Hank's ass and He'll give you a million dollars when you leave town. Use alcohol in moderation. Kick the shit out of people who aren't like you. Eat right. Hank dictated this list Himself. The moon is made of green cheese. Everything Hank says is right. Wash your hands after going to the bathroom. Don't use alcohol. Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments. Kiss Hank's ass or He'll kick the shit out of you.

Me:

"This appears to be written on Karl's letterhead."

Mary:

"Hank didn't have any paper."

Me:

"I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's handwriting."

John:

"Of course, Hank dictated it."

Me:

"I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?"

Mary:

"Not now, but years ago He would talk to some people."

Me:

"I thought you said He was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the shit out of people just because they're different?"

Mary:

"It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right."

Me:

"How do you figure that?"

Mary:

"Item 7 says 'Everything Hank says is right.' That's good enough for me!"

Me:

"Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up."

John:

"No way! Item 5 says 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says 'Use alcohol in moderation,' Item 4 says 'Eat right,' and item 8 says 'Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too."

Me:

"But 9 says 'Don't use alcohol.' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says 'The moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong."

John:

"There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure."

Me:

"Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock..."

Mary:

"But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from out of space, so it could just as easily be green cheese."

Me:

"I'm not really an expert, but I think the theory that the Moon was somehow 'captured' by the Earth has been discounted*. Besides, not knowing where the rock came from doesn't make it cheese."

John:

"Ha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!"

Me:

"We do?"

Mary:

"Of course we do, Item 7 says so."

Me:

"You're saying Hank's always right because the list says so, the list is right because Hank dictated it, and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so. That's circular logic, no different than saying 'Hank's right because He says He's right.'"

John:

"Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking."

Me:

"But...oh, never mind. What's the deal with wieners?"

Mary:

She blushes.

John:

"Wieners, in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong."

Me:

"What if I don't have a bun?"

John:

"No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong."

Me:

"No relish? No Mustard?"

Mary:

She looks positively stricken.

John:

He's shouting. "There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!"

Me:

"So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?"

Mary:

Sticks her fingers in her ears."I am not listening to this. La la la, la la, la la la."

John:

"That's disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that..."

Me:

"It's good! I eat it all the time."

Mary:

She faints.

John:

He catches Mary. "Well, if I'd known you were one of those I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the shit out of you I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's ass for you, you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater."

With this, John dragged Mary to their waiting car, and sped off.

garybuss

Min, I'm being facetious when I write the thread is a cult, but I think it makes my point very well. The elements of high control are to be found in many places.

You say the Witnesses are under mind control but so far you have been unable to demonstrate how that mind control is effective in a way different from another religious group like the Catholic people.

You're thesis is very weak and I'm patiently waiting for you to concede. GaryB

undercover

If the proof of mind control is a Witness saying they go to meetings because they are afraid of dying at armageddon, to me, that's no different than a Catholic person saying they go to Mass because they are afraid of going to hell when they die. It's just religious superstition, not hypnosis.

It's neither superstition or hypnosis. It's a guilt trip. Make em feel guilty and keep em giving money(time, effort, whatever). How does one make them feel guilty? Constant pressure to conform to the standards set in place, constant reminders of rules(beliefs, doctrine, etc.), constant threats of discipline for wrongdoing. Not much different than how our mothers put the guilt trip on us. Our mothers tried to control us and then our religion tried to control us. In some of our cases it was the same pressure from two sides.

minimus

The Catholics can talk to anybody they want,even if one is excommunicated. They can disagree with the pope. They can remain as Catholics and have an abortion. They do not have to go to 5 meetings per week. They don't have to preach to people every month....blah, blah and more blah. The JW's are programmed to believe that if they disagree with the Society, they are being disobedient to God. Simple.

jgnat

One big difference between the Catholic Church and the JW's, is that to be considered an Orthodox Christian, all one has to do is agree to the precepts in the Nicene Creed. To be considered a JW, one has to agree to ALL doctrines, regardless how petty.

Every group has guidelines. What matters is to what degree are these rules enforced?

Pork Chop

Gary B I was being sarcastic. The mind control thing is just another excuse. It is very typical of hostile leavers, no way unique to JWs.

Most people here enjoy the myth though and they cling to it with the same fervor that Witnesses cling to their myths.

minimus

Pork Chop, You're still an active Witness, aren't you?......You seem to support and defend Jehovah's Witnesses in many of your posts.

Pork Chop

Minimus I just try to be honest. I am more than ready to condemn real stuff but I detest the hyperbole and vitriol. This mind control thing is hypebole. I've read a lot about "apostates' in general, not just exWitnesses and this is so typical it's like someone is taking is straight out of the text books.

Frankly I thought you were too bright to buy into this nonsense.

avishai

Please answer the question, pork chop

minimus

Avishai, Pork Chop DID answer the question in his own way.

Jehovah's Witnesses Are Under Mind Control

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