Why is the white race so different?

by Crazyguy 133 Replies latest jw friends

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  waton

  This is a trick question, right?

  Ask the OP, Crazyguy, The Ashkenazi surely were considered part of the white race?

  Freud, Marx, Einstein? probably more Nobel laureates per capita?
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  TD

  What groupings somebody uses depends on their purpose. All systems are of course social constructs but they reflect real things.

  Yes. There was a short article recently in Scientific American on that aspect of the question. A number of researchers pointed out that even in biology, where the concept is still used for the sake of convenience, "race" is at best, only a weak proxy for genetic diversity and that there is no single genetic marker unique to any group. -And these weren't people from the Creation Institute either.

  Of course this doesn't mean that observable differences don't exist as generalities. Hell, I can usually tell at a glance if someone belongs to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Or if their parents did) simply because most here are descended from or are in some way related to a relatively small number of families that settled in the Western U.S. - And that is a far more subtle difference.

  The problem in this thread was the assumption built that into the question. Even under the old system, there was never a "white race" or even a race where a clear majority were "white." The entire population of the Middle East, India, Pakistan, etc. is nothing to sneeze at and they were all considered to be Caucasian.
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  David_Jay

  Waton,

  I'm not Ashkenazi. I'm Sephardic or Mizrahi. I've got a dark complexion, with Middle Eastern-Israeli features.

  Because of this, the United States has actually created a new category in its "race" documents. Beginning with the 2020 USA census, a new way of categorizing people begins. My birth certificate has me marked as WHITE-HISPANIC, though I am neither. Beginning in 2020, I will be MEAD-I, which stands for "Middle-Eastern or African descent : Israeli."

  I've been confused for Mexican, Cuban, Greek, Arab, but never have I passed as "white."

  I consider myself an idiot, personally.
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  ShirleyW

  this topic still going strong? . . . I predict 20 pages like all the other topics on race usually last that long. Hmm, wonder why race stirs everyone up?

  Remember the good ol' days whenwe were attending the meetings and we all know JWs don't see color, they accept everybody as their brother and sister because one day we would all be in Paradise singing kingdom songs and playing with a baby lion?

  Hmm, I guess everybody played along at the KH and then went home and carried on with their own beliefs about race and politics, etc. what a fine bunch of actors the JWs are !!
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  David_Jay

  ShirelyW,

  I am so with you on this one:

  Hmm, I guess everybody played along at the KH and then went home and carried on with their own beliefs about race and politics, etc. what a fine bunch of actors the JWs are !!

  In one congregation I attended, there were such fights about race that at one point the circuit overseer had to make sure there was "representation" of each race in the congregation on the elder body. As you can imagine, this meant some of the elders were not as qualified as the others (not that any that I ever recall were "qualified" to be anything more than what a high school diploma makes you ready for).

  This spilled over into the congregation and there were horrible cliques created as a consequence.

  When I moved down into South Texas, the Spanish congregations accused me of being what those brothers called a "vanilla wafer" since I am dark on the outside but "sound and act white." I was told constantly: "You need to be in the Spanish congregation instead of the English ones and be proud of your race as a Mexican-American."

  When I told them I was Hebrew and not Mexican-American and that I spoke Ladino and not Spanish, the reply was usually something like: "Oh, I wouldn't speak that type of Spanish as people will associate you with a lower class," and "Ladino is the language of people from poor breeding."
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  OUTLAW

  Hmm, I guess everybody played along at the KH and then went home and carried on with their own beliefs about race and politics, etc. what a fine bunch of actors the JWs are !!.....ShirleyW

  As I got older, that`s exactly what I noticed..

  Except for a few, colour blind among JW`s is an "empty sales pitch"..
  
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  waton

  My birth certificate has me marked as WHITE-HISPANIC, though I am neither. DJ.

  Nothing personal, just the observation, that in my home country, the jews, by virtue of their names, were the most german germans around, the Rothschilds, Oppenheimers and Dreifuss. Then a Jewish customer answered my question about that: These local sounding names were given these families for taxation purposes.
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  David_Jay

  Nothing personal, just the observation, that in my home country, the jews, by virtue of their names, were the most german germans around, the Rothschilds, Oppenheimers and Dreifuss. Then a Jewish customer answered my question about that: These local sounding names were given these families for taxation purposes.

  I didn't take it personal.

  There is a lot of confusion with people because Jews have two names, a secular one and a Hebrew name.

  For instance, the surname "Hernandez" is Jewish but most people think it's Hispanic in origin. In a sense they are correct in that the Jews of Spain invented the name for themselves (and then got scattered due to the Alhambra Decree). The same goes for "Campos" and "Marroquin" which are the names of my Jewish ancestors from Spain. People think these are in the Spanish language, but all three names are actually in Ladino.

  The secular names the Ashkenazi Jews took for themselves sound European. That's why people with the last name "Gold" and "Stein" aren't always Jewish. Unlike the Sephardic Jews that invented names for themselves, the Ashkenazi usually adopted or adapted their secular surnames. Sephardic Jews often invented names for themselves to disguise themselves as Catholic, such as "De La Paz" or "De La Cruz." The surname "Pena" is Sephardic, and means "Peter" after St. Peter. (Crypto Jews tried to blend in and hide this way through new names.)

  My Hebrew name is "Caleb Judah-Bendavid Cohen" but most mistake my secular name for something that comes from Mexico (which I've not disclosed). Something similar goes for Ashkenazi Jews, as my friend "Adam Saul Goldberg" has the Hebrew name of "Ashur Saul Avram."
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  Outahere

  snowbird10 months ago10 months ago

  I suppose 3,781 years ago, admirers of Nimrod were wondering the same.

  "Why are we Black people so different? Just look at what we have accomplished! Why, our civilization has conquered the world. Now, let's take a shot at Heaven!"

  According to the Bible, our troubles began in a Garden, then later, on an Ark.

  Such a shame sistah. Back then our pipo ruled. We built de pyramids and we wuz kangs and sheeit.

  
  
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  Crazyguy

  I started this thread and it quickly devolved in to a racists thread and that was never my intention! It was a simple question about prehumans like Neanderthals and if the white race could be different do to possibly being related to a prehuman group that maybe didn’t mate with other human races.

  So please , racists stop posting on this thread!