Simple Question Re 1914 (page 41)

Disillusioned JW

Hi Jeffro. I intend to reply to your most recent post to me on another day.

Disillusioned JW

Oops. You are right Jeffro, I should have address the comment to scholar instead. I am glad though that you got a good laugh.

Getting back to 1914 which is the subject here, it seems logical that some of the people if not most of the people that heard the preaching message would be alive to experience the consequences of not listening like in the days of Noah—and not die of natural causes. People are born all the time and would be listening to same message 200 years after 1914 and even farther away if the gt does not happen and the preaching work would be insignificant to the people that died only to be resurrected again. In the days of Noah, people lived longer than they do now so 120 years later most people would be alive to see the end but people don’t live that long during 1914 so like in the days of Noah the end should come in the lifetime of the people who heard the message—at least it doesn’t seem logical that everybody just dies naturally and the end comes later on. In the days of Noah not taking note were swept away; in the 1st century they were massacred by the Romans and in prior times too where a preaching message was experienced such as during the era of the prophets and first temple people involved also saw and lamented their rejection of not listening. It is only logical that during the parausia it would be just like all these previous times. So here we are 108 years later born in to when the preaching work began. So what happens to the millions or more that were around when the preaching work began and took no note only to die naturally 100 years later and not swept away by armageddon? 1914 surely applies to the anointed but by the same token must also apply to those that take no note.

Jeffro

You’re misconstruing how the ‘parousia’ (which explicitly follows the ‘great tribulation’) would be analogous to ‘the days of Noah’, and the selection of 1914 is based on entirely false premises anyway.

Fisherman

You’re misconstruing how the ‘parousia’

How?

which explicitly follows the ‘great tribulation’

It does not.

and the selection of 1914 is based on entirely false premises anyway.

It is not.

Jeffro

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Matthew 24:21, 26–27, 29–30: for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. ... 26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be. ... 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mark 13:19, 24–26: for those days will be days of a tribulation such as has not occurred from the beginning of the creation that God created until that time, and will not occur again. ... 24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling out of heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26 And then they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

waton

swept away by armageddon? surely applies to the anointed but by the same token 1914 must also apply to those that take no note.

The way wt applied 1914 to the then anointed was to promise them the last supper on earth, and breakfast in heaven. date was right (all are), promise wrong, premise wrong too.

what were those that "took note" supposed do? advertise the talk: " The world has ended, Millions now Living will never die" and be saved by / because that wt work? btw:

the anointed will not be swept away by armageddon, but swept upward at the outset of the Great Tribulation according to wt's latest light.
By contrast Jesus promised them survival of the end, the great tribulation.

waton

It is only logical that during the parausia it would be just like all these previous times. So here we are 108 years later born in to when the preaching work began. So

fisherman, only persons born ~ < 1900 could be held accountable to not respond to the 1914 erroneous wt proposals.

There is therefore something absolutely wrong to the parallels with the present, you and wt refer to.

Only parallel, overlapping groups are now trotted out to save face. but face it: the wt prediction game as inspired truth, or a spirit directed group is over.

Phizzy

This >> " but face it: the wt prediction game as inspired truth, or a spirit directed group is over. "

The WT./Org. "predictions" have failed over the years, very consistently, I cannot think of ONE that came true as they expressed it, if you take the prediction in full.

Exactly the same applies to the Bible itself. Not one came true of the real predictions, not one.

If they were a "spirit directed" group, they would know how to read the Bible like adults, i.e. Taking proper note of the context, the time in which the writer lived, the time of writing, the culture of the day, the Theology of the time, and the Agenda of the writer etc.

They do none of these things, one of the chief errors is not acknowledging WHEN a work was written, Daniel being written in the mid 2nd Century BCE. for example, not Centuries before that time, as it pretends, or that the Gospels were all written after 70 C.E, apart from some of the earliest Gospel, Mark, where even that was edited and added to after 70 C.E, and so on.

To approach Bible interpretation in a childish and totally non Scholarly way, means they cannot ascertain what the Holy Spirit is directing them to do, the Bible, as they admit, being their only source of "Spirit direction".

The 1914 teaching has been 100% demolished, very ably by Jeffro, and many others, it needs no further attention, the same with any J.W teaching, they are not teachers of Truth.

ozziepost

@ThomasMore

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