By definition an ultra-flamboyant drag queen is not manly.
Is Being a “Manly Man” a Bad Thing?
by minimus 194 Replies latest jw friends
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em1913
Certainly more so, in my definition than a, let's say, a flinty, clench-jawed Sgt. Rock type who goes into a snit over a TV commercial.
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minimus
Machismo is not the same as masculinity. Of course a manly masculine man can lovingly cradle a baby or be a great cook etc....he can be kindhearted and sweet. Just because you’re masculine it doesn’t mean that you’re ready to beat everybody up.
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cofty
Where Have All the Warriors Gone? — Meaghan Mobbs. Psychology Today
While alpha and beta males are not necessarily empirically derived monikers, the construct of masculinity is well-established. Traditional masculine/male traits include competitiveness, protectiveness, aggressiveness, assertiveness, sexual appetite, appreciating truth over feeling, confidence, self-reliance, and independence (to name a few) which appear to fall neatly in line with the socially recognized alpha male designation...
Yet, our culture is shifting away from the embrace of such qualities and calling into question their relevance—with some labeling them as toxic. With the rise of feminism, we seem to demand a declination in masculinity. In the progressive empowerment of women, we’ve disempowered masculinity.
From a martial perspective, this became apparent when the Pentagon released a report that approximately 71% of the 34 million 17- to 24-year-olds would not qualify for military service.
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em1913
Most of the "alpha males" I've come across have been alpha only in their own minds. More like epsilons striving impossibly for the delta, like those guys who waved their "ADMINISTRATION" ribbons in everybody's faces at the circuit assembly and then couldn't figure out how to get their car out of the parking lot when it was all over. My father had a lot of the qualities named above, especially the aggressiveness and the "sexual appetite," but all he ever got out of it was a dose of the clap. If that's "manly," then the world is better off without it.
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cofty
em1913 - What is wrong with sexual appetite? You only exist because of it.
What is wrong with aggression? Properly channeled and controlled it is what protects our families and wins World Cups.
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em1913
Let's just say that my dear old man directed his sexual appetite in the wrong direction -- the family of the fifteen year old girl was not amused, nor were the police. And the aggression kind of wore thin about when I saw him chasing my mother around the kitchen table with a knife. (And this was way back before anybody talked about that ole bugaboo feminism, just to be clear. Pop was a man of his time, a time when knuckles were proudly dragged and us ladies knew our place.)
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LoveUniHateExams
em1913 - that's pathological behaviour.
Pathological behaviour isn't manly behaviour per se, and occurs among some women, some gay people, some children, etc.
The current issue is this: a group of extremists intent on ripping up our society is hell bent on demonising ordinary masculine behaviour of ordinary men.
We have much to thank manly behaviour for - the defeat of the Nazis, the internal combustion engine, safe commercial flights, ... and lots more.
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em1913
I knew a lot of WWII vets, and they weren't the swaggery "he man" type. One was an elder in my congregation -- a really kind, jovial man, and the one elder I genuinely liked. He'd been in the Pacific Theatre during the war, and he'd talk about how it was, how they'd drink hair tonic and Sterno as a way of killing the tension, that kind of thing, but he never glorified it as any kind of a Manly Rite of Passage. The analogy he used was "if you had bugs in your house, you'd do what you had to do to get rid of them. It wasn't glorious or noble, it was just something that had to be done." I'd consider him a true "manly man," simply because the thought of "manliness" as something you had to define was a thought he probably never had in his life. How he got to be an elder among the posing, posturing little twerps who surrounded him, I could never understand.