It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  Vintage

  I’ve typed up the transcript of a two-minute portion of one of Lloyd Evans videos to share here on Jehovahs-witness forum. I’ve written a few words in capital letters, just so no one misses the reason I’m posting this. (My capitalization does not here indicate “shouting”.) Enjoy!

  Title of video:

  A conversation with M. James Penton (Watchtower historian, author and former elder)

  4 years ago

  Beginning 1:12:07

  James Penton: ...so, I would say “move on”, find some joy, and continue to be a MORAL PERSON.

  Lloyd Evans: Yeah, well, I think that’s the key, is being a MORAL PERSON, and you can, you can get there by any number of means. I think it’s really nice, as well, and just kind of going back to what we were saying before about kind of infighting and acrimony between ex Jehovah’s Witnesses,... it’s nice that you and I can have different views on whether there’s a god or not but still be friends, and still get along and still appreciate each other’s ideas. What’s interesting, I actually visited Vancouver back in June.

  James Penton: Oh! Wonderful!

  Lloyd Evans: Yeah. And someone stood up in the audience and said something along the lines of, you know, of “please tell me that there’s no one here who’s religious. You know we can get rid of religion entirely. Or, why don’t you tell people that they should all be atheist” or something along those lines. And my answer, I forget the exact words,...I think it’s in the, in the video, but how I feel about that is that it’s entirely up to the individual whether they decide to continue as a Christian or to get rid of religion all together. The main thing, as you say, is to be a MORAL PERSON, and to show kindness to your fellow man. And, I would also say that simply being an atheist doesn’t say anything about your morality. So, that’s why, even though I’m an atheist, I’m also a humanist. So, I believe in the advancement of the species, and I believe in equality and trying to make the world as loving and kind as it can possibly be. So, on that I think we can kind of agree that however, whatever journey we take to arrive at that better world, we need to be thinking about how we can get there.

  Ending 1:14:15
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  slimboyfat

  Good quote. The brass neck on display is something else.

  Plus it’s entirely typical of the man, during interviews with people far more interesting than himself, he nevertheless dominates the conversation with his own inane ramblings.
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  Simon

  Lloyd is proof that fine words are easy to say but what matters more is what people actually do and how they behave when there isn't a microphone in front of them or an audience to perform to.
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  NonCoinCollector

  So, that’s why, even though I’m an atheist, I’m also a humanist. So, I believe in the advancement of the species, and I believe in equality and trying to make the world as loving and kind as it can possibly be.

  Humanism is a term that is so loosely defined that it can mean pretty much anything. Largely it comes down to caring about the advancement of the human species. When it comes to Lloyd Evans, the only humans Lloyd Evans has been proven to care about seem to be named Lloyd Evans.

  Yeah, well, I think that’s the key, is being a MORAL PERSON...

  Amazing that in front of Dr. James Penton he can recognize morals, but will scream down and weaponize his audience if anybody dares to point out that hiring illegal and unregulated prostitutes while pretending to care about the sexually abused is not a moral thing to do.

  Plus it’s entirely typical of the man, during interviews with people far more interesting than himself, he nevertheless dominates the conversation with his own inane ramblings.

  Yes, this is very true! Dr. James Penton is a very accomplished and interesting man with a deep understanding of how Watchtower worked when he was a member. Unlike Lloyd's self-indulging books, Dr. Penton's are educational. To dominate the conversation like Lloyd did was a disservice to Dr. Penton and Lloyd's audience.
  
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  TonusOH

  Re: recognizing morals, the human mind is capable of amazing feats of compartmentalization (a flaw that cults like the JWs take ready advantage of). Remember that, in his video confession, Evans defended himself by stating that he had not committed murder or rape. Which is to say, he redefined what a "MORAL PERSON" is, to ensure that he was still a MORAL PERSON even after admitting to behavior that most people agree is clearly immoral.

  And then he, MORAL PERSON that he is, can persist in expressing disgust and judgment towards others for actions that are far less egregious than his own. The grifter's first target is always himself.
  
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  vienne

  In January Lloyd had 876 patrons. Today he has 549. Since most accounts continue until the end of the month, we will probably see another significant drop on June 1st.

  Let's put this man's idiocy in the trash can were it belongs.
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  notsurewheretogo

  And I do not believe LE has 549 Patron supporters who are exJW's. These supporters are atheists as he tapped into that community.

  The more exposure to this nonsense will means these atheists will take note and stop their Patron.

  This unapologetic man needs hurting the most and that is his funding and that is why all exposure to his horrendous attitude that it is ok to fight the WT against sex abuse WHILST partaking of sex workers has to be highlighted.
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  Simon

  The more exposure to this nonsense will means these atheists will take note and stop their Patron.

  Not all, some will be those militant anti-religious types who will like him more for living an anti-moral lifestyle.

  In their tiny brains, morals are linked with religion, so they have to live opposite-life to object to it.

  Or they use their rejection of religion and morals as the excuse for their immoral lifestyle.
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  NonCoinCollector

  Not all, some will be those militant anti-religious types who will like him more for living an anti-moral lifestyle.

  In their tiny brains, morals are linked with religion, so they have to live opposite-life to object to it.

  LOL, in their haste to reject religion, they are financially supporting a personality cult.
  
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  Diogenesister

  Not all, some will be those militant anti-religious types who will like him more for living an anti-moral lifestyle.

  I was thinking the same thing, though I hate to admit it. (Matt Dillahunty, anyone?🙄).

  I think there's a lot of Athiest incels and woman haters who like the idea of Lloyd demanding his wife accepts his sexual demands (ie stays married but still has his Thai 'girlfriends' to visit every couple of months....and Dijana must lump it)