It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened 11530 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  lloydevansparody

  My father was an elder and that’s about how close I ever got to it but correct me if I am wrong, elders don’t divulge that kind of information, especially something as huge as a Branch Rep coming down to see him from Zagreb.
  

  You are right here.

  Maybe other former elders can share their perspective too based on their experience but from what I know and remember when someone moves to another congregation and the person is under discipline the elders from the original congregation write a letter to the elder of the new one to inform them that XY and family are moving there. They simply mention that XY is under restrictions but they DO NOT tell you why. I believe things may be slightly different now for cases of paedophilia. But generally especially for porneia they won't tell. This is crucial.

  The elders in Croatia couldn't possibly know what had happened in the UK unless

  a) He mentioned it to them
  

  b) someone had tipped them off

  Perhaps Dijana told her parents who then told the elders. We do not know. But even if this really happened I struggle to see how the elders would be so worried for a simple case of watching porn or online sexting with girls. I mean they had a big fish there. An apostate maybe the first of its kind in a Croatian village. It would be a fab opportunity for an elder to put this on their "CV'. Who would care about the porn wanking when they had their local R Franz.

  But then again he mentions in his masterpiece that one elder was concerned about things happened in the UK. How? Were they only rumors? If so they had no proof so they would have been meaningless in a JC.

  That's why I say his story about the JC does not make sense at all. There are gargantuan holes in this story.

  The only way for him to stop this Pandora's Box to be fully opened was to handle in the letter of disassociation. Pay also attention how he wanted badly Dijana out too. Why this rush? In the end one week or two what difference would have made? He went bonkers when they weren't so keen. Then another silly mistake from the elders (apparently). They phoned Dijana if I remember correctly. This would never happen. If they really did that then it would be a massive unorthodox procedure. So much for a Bethel rep to be there.
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  Las Malvinas son Argentinas

  Another thing Lloyd tends to do when he feels threatened is to include his wife in with whatever he’s up to as a pre-emptive measure to avoid criticism. If you disagree with me you are attacking my wife too! In that FB post he was saying “we like these two elders” and the decision to not record his JC was a decision they both had made together.

  But it was Lloyd’s JC. He’s making it sound it was her decision as well but since when did he ever listen to her? I have always had my doubts she was all in on his decision to identify himself and to essentially force a confrontation with the elders, ones she has known all or most of her life, all the while being close to giving birth. Despite his efforts to spin it as her choice to DA, the very fact she was hurrying to write it as he was leaving when she had days to do it indicates to me she wasn’t sure writing this letter was a great idea. Even then she never said the words “I resign” as he did and left it ambiguous enough for the elders to question the intent.

  You must all rely on my journalistic skills, and be sure that I will write as comprehensively about what was said as possible.

  This really says it all imo. He wanted everyone to hear only his interpretation of the JC, not what it really was about.
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  KIMSILVIO

  Perhaps Dijana told her parents who then told the elders

  Dijana did tell her parents at the time dijana first found out.

  Despite his efforts to spin it as her choice to DA, the very fact she was hurrying to write it as he was leaving when she had days to do it indicates to me she wasn’t sure writing this letter was a great idea.

  Dijana wanted to wait until after she had Jessica to start to fade. She didn’t want to DA however what Lloyd wants, lloyd gets.
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  lloydevansparody

  Even then she never said the words “I resign” as he did and left it ambiguous enough for the elders to question the intent.
  

  I wonder if Dijana falls under the "JW mindset" category based on Tibor's law
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  Thisismein1972

  Yep, I rely on his journalism skills, just as much as I rely on the journalistic skills of The Guardian, the Sun, Daily Mail... E.T.C.
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  lloydevansparody

  Dijana wanted to wait until after she had Jessica to start to fade. She didn’t want to DA however what Lloyd wants, lloyd gets.
  

  If Dijana would have stayed in then the elders investigation would have never stopped. They would have asked Dijana what she knew about assuming that there was something "more concerning" than apostasy to be investigated.
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  Las Malvinas son Argentinas

  Pay also attention how he wanted badly Dijana out too. Why this rush? In the end one week or two what difference would have made?

  This is a key point. Even per his account in his book, the elders wanted to meet with her after reading the letter. They were not rejecting her “DA letter”, they just wanted to meet with her and clarify things. She said she did not feel like a JW. That could have meant she did not want to be one. Or it could have meant that she was confused and didn’t know what she wanted, which would be where I’d be leaning too considering who she was married to and his controlling nature. I think the elders were right in wanting a separate meeting with her to clarify her thoughts on her letter, not her husband’s interpretation of a letter written in a language he did not comprehend.

  The reason he wanted her letter accepted and her out at the same time as him was because he didn’t want her going to her own JC where he could not be present. Were they going to ask her about the nature of their relationship and what led her upon this path? Were they going to ask what she knew and what part she played in their escape from the UK?
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  lloydevansparody

  Were they going to ask her about the nature of their relationship and what led her upon this path? Were they going to ask what she knew and what part she played in their escape from the UK?
  

  They certainly would have. Lloyd must have assumed that Dijana was the weakest ring of the chain.
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  Las Malvinas son Argentinas

  Lloyd must have assumed that Dijana was the weakest ring of the chain.

  Another gap in his retelling of the JC is how they solved the issue of her letter. The elders were insistent they would meet with her privately to talk about it. Lloyd was out of mobile minutes and unsuccessfully tried to use the elder’s phone so he could get Dijana to resign on the spot. They were at an impasse and Lloyd does not say anything else about it.

  I’ve been out awhile, but I do know that you do not and cannot negotiate with elders. There was nothing Lloyd could have said or done, being freshly DAed himself to have any sway over their decision to meet with his wife. But we’re meant to believe that all was resolved by the end of the JC.

  My educated guess was that Lloyd spazzed out and threw so much of a tantrum that he did get Dijana to make the call that she was resigning. Whether this happened whilst the JC was still in session or when he got home is anyone’s guess.

  And she was indeed the weak link. She was so isolated and beat down that she just spilt everything to women whom she barely knew the first chance she got, even going back to what was essentially her forced DA in 2013.
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  Debra

  Does anyone have a mailing or email address for the kingdom halls in zagrab? Preferably an English speaking one please x