Something just dawned on me. Have we ever witnessed Lloyd hold someone in high esteem? He seems to have very many enemies, but not many friends. That is telling in itself.
It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Toblerone5
Have we ever witnessed Lloyd hold someone in high esteem?
John Cedars ? Oh right...
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slimboyfat
I watched the start of the video, the first ten minutes, and he keeps on saying he either won’t lie to JWs at the Kingdom Hall about who he is, or that he doesn’t want to lie about who he is. He can’t quite make up his mind whether he intends to lie or not, but he wants his audience to know that he really doesn’t like the idea of lying about who he is in any case.
But isn’t this a bit odd. He has admitted to visiting sex workers behind his wife’s back every couple months. This must have involved dozens, or hundreds of lies, week in, week out, to his wife, their family, and probably others, for years, about where he was going, and what he was doing. Why does he care so much about lying to strangers on one occasion when he is practised at lying repeatedly to his closest family about something more important?
Maybe that’s stating the obvious to the point of redundancy, but it just grates for a known liar to pretend as if lying is of any consequence to them. He can’t really mean any of it, I guess it’s all a performance for the channel.
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
How do you know how much Tibor is paid? If it were that low I doubt hed stay.
Did you watch the Tibor interview? He stated that he had a huge difficulty even getting called in for an interview in Croatia and when he did there was a lot of competition and a series of hoops they wanted him to hop through. Lloyd was his first and only employer. He said just that. Now look at the minimum wage in Croatia and the cost of living in Zagreb. Lloyd said on FB he pays 450 (€?) for his flat in the centre. He also doesn’t work a 40 hour week. Those edits for the amount of work Lloyd churns out is not a full time job. It isn’t even a full time job for Lloyd.
So connect the dots. Lloyd is someone who wouldn’t even comp Mark O’Donnell for travel costs when he worked as a JW Watch correspondent. It’s a very safe assumption that Tibor isn’t exactly killing it with what Lloyd gives him. I never said I knew for a fact what he earns.And if someone brings you something from somewhere, how does that mean they live there? Its their studio, saying someone lives at the studio because they brought something from the studio is just crazy.
Did you watch the Ramacro video? It was said it was about 30 minutes from where he lives in the city centre and then he goes on a tour of it. No one forced him to, he filmed it. Ramacro has kitchen, toilet and laundry facilities. It also has a bedroom and a common area. Otherwise known as a “2 bedroom flat”. Which sounds crazier? Tibor living there and Lloyd killing two birds with one stone by having a dedicated flat and allowing Tibor to live there as part of his compensation? Or Lloyd paying for an empty flat with only the studio section and toilet facilities being used regularly? Safe to assume someone is living there and if not Lloyd’s an idiot for paying rent for a barely used flat. Of course someone else could live there including his wife and girls, or a sex worker he’s “dating” I guess but this isn’t the first time Tibor has fetched something from Ramacro. Perhaps Ramacro’s location was chosen because Tibor lived near that area and it was convenient for him? I don’t know. But I wouldn’t call this all “baseless” when he’s made several videos and provided other context as to what the situation is. And if Tibor wants to waltz in here and say “I don’t live at Ramacro, you are all liars!!” then whatever, I’ll stand corrected on that minor point.In his January begging tweet Lloyd specifically threatened to shut down Ramacro, which might have also meant letting Tibor go.
No hard feelings, but your theories sound completely baseless.
They are based on what we know and what seems to be the most likely scenario. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Tibor likely lives there. Watch the videos I referenced if you are that interested and come to your own conclusion as to what Ramacro is used for besides making videos.
Nicolaou - I think I saw the same map and confused Croatia with Bosnia and Herzegovina which has insane unemployment rates. My mistake. But what Tibor said about the difficulty of finding work in Croatia still stands. And I did read somewhere that the border regions of Croatia near the Bosnian and Serbian borders (where Lloyd used to live) have high unemployment rates. I would think that Zagreb and especially the coastal areas where tourism is a big draw would be the places to go to look for work, but Tibor wasn’t having any luck as a college grad in or near Zagreb.
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Diogenesister
Which sounds crazier? Tibor living there and Lloyd killing two birds with one stone by having a dedicated flat and allowing Tibor to live there as part of his compensation? Or Lloyd paying for an empty flat with only the studio section and toilet facilities being used regularly?
Yup. If Lloyd is pleading poverty but paying for his own pad and a two bedroom flat just to record in a few hours a week, not requiring anything more specialised than four walls and a roof - his own bedroom would suffice (...on second thoughts..maybe not🤔) then he's more of a fool than I thought. I think it's more than a fair bet it's Tibor's pad (except I think it always has been and Lloyds probably wangled it as a freebie from Tibor when considering a job cuts!!)
How do you know how much Tibor is paid? If it were that low I doubt hed stay.
I'd say it's difficult to get that all-important first job in any creative field these days, let alone the sticks in Eastern Europe?
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
sbf: but he wants his audience to know that he really doesn’t like the idea of lying about who he is in any case.
That is because he wanted the elders to know who he was and preferred a scene. This is how desperate for content he is. When describing how the elder ghosted him and ignored him from then on, it sounded like he was disappointed as if this was the reaction he desired when showing up to the KH. He even complained that he didn’t follow him into the Croatian section after the English meeting was over. Skip ahead to 46:53 and you'll see what I mean. They have a history and Lloyd is genuinely sad he wasn't confronted by this elder and even reasoned that he should have been, since he was known to be DAed and it was an elder's responsibility to take him aside and ask his reasoning for being there. About the elder:
He was effectively a friend, or used to be a family friend. I’m not going to go into everything but suffice to say, I think he’s a nice guy, but I also know he’s one of the, one of those elders that likes to go above and beyond in being intrusive. That’s been my experience with him. So, to be sat behind him after all these years was emotional, uhm yeah, it’s going to take me awhile to process it.
This is how he described the same elder in his book:
I was relieved to find Sisak congregation’s coordinator, who spoke English, waiting for me at the bus station. Though I could not speak a word of Croatian, he invited me to give one of the talks at the meeting the next evening.
This elder is not to be confused with Marko, who was the BOE Coordinator for the JC:
Footnote 315 This was not the same coordinator who met me at the bus station in Chapter Four. There had been a change in personnel since then.
But evidently this elder he met at this English-speaking KH had his own sordid history with him, so much so it's going to take him some time to "process it". Sounds VERY personal. Lloyd even said he felt he was involved with the Croatian branch, though he doesn't say why. Probably yet another elder who really had a problem with him. Maybe it's the one who said he treated Dijana like a rag or the one who accused him of running a scam by outsourcing his translation work to JWs whilst being inactive. I think the word "intrusive" is a clue that he was quite possibly one of these two.
Or maybe Lloyd Evans is just one huge dick, and these elders liked Dijana and knew how vulnerable she was, so they felt like protecting her from this foreign oaf.
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ForeverAlone
Sounds like he is trying to get into the "aggressive activism" that he loves so much. LOL!
It is so hard to convey sarcasm online, isn't it?
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Thisismein1972
"John Cedars ?"
He'll probably regard his own alter ego as his enemy now. Now that's some fucked up comic book story there! 😂
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KIMSILVIO
For anyone wanting to understand how Lloyd could justify lying to his wife 👍
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
It struck me like a tonne of bricks how he introduced her on the “Introducing Mrs Cedars” thread. One, she took his name rather than establishing her own identity. Two, he suggested she’d be more interested in exchanging recipes with other exJW women. Three, he falsely stated her English wasn’t great. She was his primary (only) translator for his business and now her English isn’t great?
All that was a key indicator he didn’t want her interacting much with others. When him and Tibor went all in about the “JW Mindset”, they considered not for one second the 15 years Lloyd treated his wife like a JW would.
It was like “stay at home, make dinner and take care of the kids, show up with me at events and on my channel when I tell you to, otherwise STFU and only befriend people in this community who agree with me.”