It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (page 83)

Diogenesister

This is really something.

Remember JW fairy tale? Another guy who gave up because of LE. He made this video 6 years ago....now I'm really confused...https://youtu.be/_iO4M5q1Weg

davesalad

New to this forum, to be honest I stumbled across it when I started searching for reasons that LE had taken a break from his videos, but I’m glad I found my way here.

I emailed him a couple of years ago to discuss the possibility of having his voice in a documentary that I was planning on filming regarding JWs and their damaging social impact, he was less than kind or forthcoming with support at the time.

After reading through all 83 pages of discussion here I’m wondering how we stop this malignant blight from maintaining its presence as one of the forerunning personalities that represents the ex-JW community, because surely he does not speak for us all. In the spirit of not casting the first stone let me tell you I have been less than kind or perfect in many instances since I left the cult, for a long time I lost my way and had zero bearings morally. I am not one to speak for many, I do not think I qualify as such but I still hold concern for anything which may prove the WTS true in their negative appraisal of apostates, and it would seem that LE is proving their point and the ramifications for individuals potentially still gripped by the cult are large.

Is there a possibility for an organised campaign of truthful negative feedback on any and all LE media that is produced? Is there some way we can enact on this current situation to do the greater good and shut down this person who might cause more harm than good? I apologise if this is naive of me, but I am interested in your feedback as you’ve obviously all been dealing with this person for a lot longer than I.

In full disclosure, I have seen enough LE videos to know that although they provide important information and insight into the practices of the WTS, they are also presented with a level of vitriol and sarcasm that I think would be psychologically detrimental to anyone truly looking for an informed viewpoint on the subject, and as such I have not watched any of his media for a long time now.

Listener

Diogenesister - Remember JW fairy tale? Another guy who gave up because of LE. He made this video 6 years ago....now I'm really confused...

As an aside, it's amazing that Tom (JW fairy tale) said in 2017 that he was just giving a heads up to the listeners, five years before it would come out, that it looked like JC was a pedo.

Tom was pretty heavy with this suggestion . So much so, that his mates asked him to tone it down a little bit (not the volume but the way he was wording his suggestion). As part of the Vast Appostate Army, they didn't want to be sued by LE and he said he would be doing just that. He never did though.

Tom was on another VAA video where he presented as much information as he could that led him to personally think that it wasn't unbelievable that LE was involved with a 14y/old. With all the ranting and raving from LE, I never saw him answer the question as to how old was the youngest girl that he had sexted.

The VAA knew about Marko and his claim at that time. I think they were directed to a Facebook post by someone claiming to be Marko (related to DE). VAA tried to do some research on this Marko and I don't know how far they got with that and how much Kim & Mike were involved or even whether it was them that directed the guys at the VAA about the Facebook post. I don't think the VAA had sufficient evidence to prove the accusation as being credible.

Within a short time, Marko deleted his Facebook account which I think had only existed for a couple of years and was extremely sparse.

If you listen to that video with Tom speaking in 2017 a huge problem becomes apparent.

There are now two different stories about what Marko claims LE did.

In 2017 it was a case of him jacking off to a 14 year old in his congregation through cybersexting and his wife caught him out through his phone.

This Marko now claims (through providing a chat transcript) that LE met a 14 y/'old girl on a dating site and met her in a car park.

They are two very different accusations and doesn't make Marko look credible.

Now Marko has disappeared from social media once again.

If I was in contact with Marko I would want to know why there is this whopping discrepency.

silentlamb_silent_no_more

Sparrowdown said:

Either way what’s the chances the views for his first video back in the bunker will be through the roof with fans and haters tuning in.

Well I aint clicking into him - not giving him the satisfaction of the view. If anyone wants to take one for the team and upload a rebuttal to his video though, I'll watch that. I would rather give someone else a view than him.

NonCoinCollector

There are now two different stories about what Marko claims LE did.
In 2017 it was a case of him jacking off to a 14 year old in his congregation through cybersexting and his wife caught him out through his phone.
This Marko now claims (through providing a chat transcript) that LE met a 14 y/'old girl on a dating site and met her in a car park.
They are two very different accusations and doesn't make Marko look credible.
Now Marko has disappeared from social media once again.
If I was in contact with Marko I would want to know why there is this whopping discrepency.

"Marko" could be an invention of someone within the LE house. This very well could have been a publicity stunt gone bad.

Well I aint clicking into him - not giving him the satisfaction of the view. If anyone wants to take one for the team and upload a rebuttal to his video though, I'll watch that. I would rather give someone else a view than him.

Use an ad blocker and LE makes no money.

silentlamb_silent_no_more

NonCoinCollector said:

Use an ad blocker and LE makes no money

Oh how I wish that were true. Just watch this. It's also down to views, not just adverts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0LYE9B0JOw

If you’ve ever found yourself wondering “do YouTubers get paid if I use AdBlock?”, the answer is no… but also maybe. That’s right; this is yet another question with no clearcut answer. What we can say for certain is that if you are not seeing the ads being served on a video, the YouTuber who is responsible for that video is not getting any money from those ads.

https://alanspicer.com/do-youtubers-get-paid-if-i-use-adblock/

I am going to assume most likely he will not as no ads are played.

Joe_Decaff

Holy shit. What a blast from the past. Could not have happened to a nicer guy lol.

Something always felt off with Lloyd. I could never understand the praise he got from the community.

It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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davesalad

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