UK justice..

by zeb 170 Replies latest social current

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  freddo

  Anyway ... back to the OP's post about Tommie Robinson.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-44287640
  

  Note ...

  A ban on reporting his 13-month sentence at the same court was lifted after being challenged by the media.

  Robinson, from Bedfordshire, pleaded guilty to a charge of contempt of court.

  A judge told him his actions could cause the ongoing trial to be re-run, costing "hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds".

  And ...

  Dominic Casciani - BBC home affairs correspondent writes ...

  Why couldn't we initially report Robinson's arrest and jailing? Reporting restrictions are a long-standing part of the British legal system. In this case, the judge ordered a temporary media black-out because he feared reporting Robinson's conviction could influence the jury in the very case Robinson was targeting.

  
  

  As I said on page 1 of this thread ...

  "As for the case he is protesting about - there is a very real danger that (if he "skews" the case by highlighting details or inciting a view that defendants are already guilty) there is a very real chance that the defence will cry "foul" and there will be a mistrial and they might get off scot-free."

  
  
  
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  resolute Bandicoot

  “It is no coincidence that all these varied efforts to silence voices critical of Islamic supremacism recall one of the most important laws by which dhimmis must abide within the Islamic state: according to traditional Islamic law, non-Muslims must not speak about Islam in a manner that Muslims consider offensive.”
  ― Robert Spencer, Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam Is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs
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  humbled

  Freddo-Thank for the update on Tommy Robinson’s arrest and the reason for the gag.

  Luhe, Simon—Did the Finsbury Mosque stay in the hands of the radicals?No. Because the peace loving Muslims struggled through legal means to get it back and be rid of all the radicals.

  —/https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/even-when-we-fight-our-own-radicals-we-british-muslims-face-toxic-lethal-hate-1.5486449

  How the numbers are kept on who is a radical and who is not but what l read says there are a lot of them in Britain.

  That girl who was shot in the head by Muslim radicals, Mahlala Yusephsai is a Pakistani Muslim. Is it so hard to distinguish between a rapist, or a murder and his victims that you are reduced to stereotyping? If there are Muslims who do not want criminals in their communities find a way for justice to sort it out.

  If radical white “justice” ever resorts to profiling Muslims as automatically guilty for being born then hope your own young white son never goes to prisons. There are prisons here who did this to black men. What goes around does come around.

  Racism is never justice is it?
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  barry

  Robinson, from Bedfordshire, pleaded guilty to a charge of contempt of court.

  Tommy was charged with disturbing the peace by police that arrested him.

  A judge told him his actions could cause the ongoing trial to be re-run, costing "hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds".

  I don't know much about the law but the trial had already finished, there was no jury present to influence the verdict. The rapists were going their for the verdict and tommy only used information such as names of the convicted that were already in the public domain.
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  Simon

  If radical white “justice” ever resorts to profiling Muslims as automatically guilty for being born then hope your own young white son never goes to prisons. There are prisons here who did this to black men. What goes around does come around.

  To not profile people and recognize the risk that they may present is the height of PC stupidity. These people don't hide who or what they are - they march in the streets chanting "death to the west / jews / anything that stands against their hateful ideology".

  When someone is saying they want to see you dead, it's not bigotry to believe them and to not like them!

  We only have a civilization because brave people, many centuries ago, got sick of their constant attacks and enslavement and fought for their freedom and for ours. Now we want to piss it all away for some reason and we can't point out that they have a shitty culture because they may be offended by it?

  Maybe they should work at not having such a shitty culture and being civilized.

  That girl who was shot in the head by Muslim radicals, Mahlala Yusephsai is a Pakistani Muslim. Is it so hard to distinguish between a rapist, or a murder and his victims that you are reduced to stereotyping? If there are Muslims who do not want criminals in their communities find a way for justice to sort it out.

  Yes, they murder and kill their own too. It's more evidence of their shitty backwardness. They are able to do it because there is a majority who support it, not a majority who stand up against it. The lone voices who stand up get shot down - sometimes literally, but always by those who claims it's unfair to criticize the thing responsible for their behavior - the cancer to civilization that is Islam.
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  passwordprotected

  That any ex-JW would seek to defend in any way, shape or form a high-control, fanatical religious ideology that seeks to enforce its worldview on anyone, really puzzles me.

  Here's some info on Pakistani Muslims.

  1. In Pakistan, or to give it it's Sunday name, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the penalty for atheism is death. Fact.
  

  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/11/pakistan-man-sentenced-to-death-for-blasphemy-on-facebook

  2. In the UK, Pakistani inbreeding is a problem, and inbreeding can cause all sorts of physical and psychological problems. Fact.

  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html

  3. In the UK, it's been acknowledged that Pakistani Muslims are creating a country within a country. If you don't think that's a problem, refer back to point 1. Trevor Phillips, who used to be the Chairman of Racial Equality and a big supporting of Muslims in the UK said in 2016:

  ‘There are now nearly 3m Muslims living in Britain. Half of them were born abroad, and their numbers are being steadily reinforced by immigration from Africa, the Middle East, eastern Europe and the Far East, as well as the traditional flow from the Indian subcontinent. The best projections suggest that, by the middle of the century, the number of Muslims in Britain and elsewhere in Europe will at least double, given the youthfulness of the communities.’ - source
  

  He also admits that Muslims aren't integrating in the wider UK community than hoped, and that they're more likely to hold on to the beliefs and cultures of the "old country", ie. places like the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, than not.

  https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trevor-phillips-on-race-what-muslims-think-and-winning-support-from-the-far-right_uk_5756c208e4b0411d4de1f835?guccounter=1

  Again, if you don't think this is a problem for the UK, go back to point 1.

  4. "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" - possibly Voltaire.

  So who's in charge in the UK? Two key political figures are the Mayor of London, the UK's capital, where in a recent poll 25% of its citizens stated that homosexuality is morally wrong, twice the percentage of the rest of the UK(!), Sadiq Khan. Son of Pakistani immigrants, and an avowed Muslim.

  The Home Secretary, the person in charge of, among other things, immigration and the police forces of England and Wales, is Sajid Javid, son of Pakistani immigrants, and an avowed Muslim.

  So, we have a pervasive ideology in the UK, that while still in the minority, is forecast to become the majority, that executes atheists (among other horrendous things), won't integrate, inbreeds and wants to foist its law (Shariah) on the world, with key political positions in the UK being held by adherents to this ideology.

  Is anyone here really trying to say this isn't a problem?
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  resolute Bandicoot

  For those that don’t know a lot about islam:

  The main difference between the Radical (let’s call them orthodox) muslims and the peaceful is that one group truly want to cut your head off, rape your children and plunder your goods (this is the standard business model of islamic society historically). While the “peaceful “ muslims don’t really want blood on their hands but would rather take you country by political infiltration and subversion along with rapid demographic increase. You will then be forced to submit to sharia.

  As a side note there is no country in history that has ever managed to free itself from Islamic rule without outside help.
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  Phizzy

  https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/05/25/what-has-happened-to-poor-tommy-robinson/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
  
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  cofty

  Phizzy - Interesting background thanks for posting.

  The fact remains that Muslim pedophile gangs operated for decades in multiple English cities with the knowledge of police and social workers. That they are finally being brought to justice is down to the persistence of people outside the establishment who refused to shut up.

  Tommy Robinson may have crossed a line but when the people who ought to protect the vulnerable decline to do so this is what happens.

  Civilised society is fragile. We agree to not take the law into our own hands and resort to mob rule on the understanding that the state will do their job on our behalf. When they wilfully and knowingly fail to do so the rule of law is put in jeopardy.
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  freddo

  Password Protected states "That any ex-JW would seek to defend in any way, shape or form a high-control, fanatical religious ideology that seeks to enforce its worldview on anyone, really puzzles me."

  Bear in mind that Zeb (A poster for whom I have the utmost respect and whose tireless efforts in Australia with the ARC have won my enduring admiration) started this thread about the relevance of "UK justice" to Tommy Robinson and his conduct on May 25th.

  It appears that some on this thread have jumped the gun and having now got more evidence as to what went on and why, are digging their heels in and conflating TR's sentencing with the wider issue of Muslims tolerating and turning a blind eye to their own rapists and groomers. (Who most of, while not dreaming of committing rape or paedophilia will defend their religion's record to the hilt - a bit like JW's?)

  Tommy Robinson, to me has done a great deal to expose the tolerance - or at least turning a blind eye - of the Islamic community towards its own paedophiles and rape gangs. However he reminds me of the kind of apostate who shoots from the hip and can sometimes damage the very cause he espouses.

  My conclusions for the time being.

  Tommy Robinson got what he deserved, he's a twit.

  Tommy Robinson has helped expose Muslim rape gangs, he's a hero.

  Many/most? Muslims turn a blind eye to pedo gangs and won't report to the authorities.

  The authorities are only recently getting away from Political correctness overrulling shouts of racism towards Pakistani Muslims.

  Many/most? JW's won't report a suspected pedo either.
  

  Islam as practiced in the middle east and by extremists is not compatible with developed nations populations.

  UK justice is ok.