by redsetter2 108 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
I am sorry, but I just don’t but Redsetter2’s list of expected changes. All that about sex being tolerated and the end of conventions and his changes to appointments, ….. no it does not ring true . Some of the other stuff he spoke of is not banned anyway.
However, like my fellow Brit St George of England, I am unlikely to still be alive in 10 years time so I won’t know.
I too find some of these changes hard to believe, let me clarify why some are being "looked into".
JWs will in time, be allowed by conscience to wear tattoos or piercings, as long as they do not reflect "extremes" in the world or identify them with the LGBTQ community.
Smoking tobacco and marijuana as well as taking of drugs will still be strongly discouraged, however they will no longer be considered disfellowshipping offences and in most cases reproval will be the goal of judicial committees in these areas.
Again, this is due to the Governing Body's gradual changing of stance on what really is a decision by conscience and what really merits a disfellowshipping offence. Reportedly, many disfellowshippings take place because elders lack real discernment concerning whether a person is truly repentant or not. The GB are in panic mode, because this approach has created more "apostates" for them and they're now trying to crack down on the rise of apostasy, which is more common than sexual immorality within the org now. Speaking of which, the next point I certainly questioned:
Also, the Governing Body will issue a statement that different forms of sex within marriage (such as oral and anal) are now permissable, as long as a married couple does not openly talk about sex otherwise they will be counselled by the elders.
Additionally, private consensual intimacy and sex between adults of the opposite sex will be a conscience matter, as long as vaginal sex and pregnancy is not involved and as long as the activities are not broadcast openly to other members of the congregation. If a married person is involved, they must receive permission from their spouse and then respect their mate's decision if they refuse to permit it, otherwise a judicial committee will be formed and repeated attempts will be made to help that one gain "repentance".
The word porneia is being reexamined. The Governing Body feels that the current stance on it has actually contributed to more apostasy, more negative press against Jehovah's Witnesses. So a somewhat permissive compromise may help them escape further legal action, especially with the fact they plan on using the words "consent", "consensual" and specifically "adults", avoiding legal action with CSA cases in the Org. In fact, they may even relax on porn watching and encourage couples to enjoy it privately , but without mentioning it to the rest of the congregation. This I think is a complete deviation from Christianity in general anyway, so their attempts to use this as part of an effort to become more like "First Century Christianity" is pointless.
Regarding blood transfusions, there will be stronger statements issued regarding refusing blood. However, the mention of blood fractions will be removed altogether, and in time the Enjoy Life Forever book will be revised to reflect this change. HLCs will also have revised documents removing all mention of blood fractions, that doesn't mean JWs can stop using transfusion based alternatives with fractions of blood. The purpose of the proposed change is to again fight back against the criticisms of apostates and to "hide the evidence", so to speak, that transfusions are a conscience matter. Flip flopping around the issue, they plan on covering their own tracks.
Regarding the Memorial change, this adjustment has been a long time coming, considering JWs already loosely teach that if a member of the Great Crowd cannot attend the observance of the Memorial due to sickness then that's ok because the celebration is only in place for the remnant. Hope that makes sense.
joey jojo
A recent letter to the BOE already clarified their stance on higher education and how it doesn't necessarily affect position of brothers in the congregation etc, that's just a small matter which may be developed further, but it's not part of the "10-year plan".
redsetter2,
For clarification, you have been in contact with missusato, not Avoidjw.org. You did email Avoidjw.org once on an unrelated matter.
Avoidjw.org does not publish data about Jehovah's Witnesses unless it can be verified and validated. We have strict rules about that.
Even if what you say comes true it is still hearsay. If you want hearsay published, you would need to identify yourself to at least verify the source. Otherwise, we require a document that outlines the 10 year plan.
Avoidjw
We have gone through this and I requested MissUsato phone up WHQ which hasn't happened. She does however represent AvoidJW. There is no "document" that outlines the 10-year plan, that's not how Watchtower works, so you can't verify it this way.
This information has come from a series of confidential meetings at Headquarters, they'll never put in print anything that makes them liable. Why question is why would anyone in their right state of mind lie about something like this? You'll always have my word for it until it comes out, however I hope MissUsato is aware that my predictions about disfellowshipping came about exactly as I said.
Follow the money. Assemblies make less so just one day now. Renting a school for memorial with few contributions made.
COs can't assess brothers in a week so---?? Adding a Deborah/Anna classification would make sense--just don't let them be on a committee for a man.
Sex acts are probably widespread (pun?) anyway. Where does foreplay end and forbidden things start.
The blood thing is muddled now--no science applied.
1914 is the elephant in the room.
recent letter to the BOE already clarified their stance on higher education and how it doesn't necessarily affect position of brothers in the congregation etc, that's just a small matter which may be developed further, but it's not part of the "10-year plan".
No it was fraudulent. It was bogus. There is a thread about it on here somewhere
it’s a shame because prominent YouTube channels jumped on it and it was all a hoax
the GB can quite rightly say be careful of apostates who lie.
we must be careful who we believe now
Hard to believe smoking or drugs will ever be conscience issues
I actually think this makes sense.
I think what redsetter2 is trying to convey is that problems with drink or drugs will be treated as they always should have been as a medical issue where by the person needs help, care and support from family, elders and substance abuse teams. DF and shunning a person in this state is just about the worst thing you could do and will likely result in worsening addiction and even suicide.
redsetter2 - “…The GB are in panic mode, because this approach has created more ‘apostates’ for them…”
This, I absolutely believe.
Authoritarian regimes always end up creating their own boogeyman, and end up having to deal with the consequences.
redsetter2 - “…they're now trying to crack down on the rise of apostasy, which is more common than sexual immorality within the Org now…”
This is interesting.
If the sheer volume of local needs talks about fornication are any indication, young JWs fuck like rabbits…
…and if the Org thinks there are more closeted apostates (“aclostates”, if you will) than there are rabbits…
😳
BTW, Red, I’d asked the following question back on page 2 of this thread, but maybe you missed it…
…how does all this dovetail with the info you dropped here (and I referred to here), where you basically said that the Org plans to - for all intents and purposes - commit seppuku if and when the hammer drops over CSA?
