Derek Chauvin - The Right to a Fair Trial

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  Rocketman123

  The distraction from the shouting pedestrians toward the police officers I think effected how things overall panned out.

  I think Chauvin became emotionally resistant to taking his knee off of Floyd by all the shouting and suggestions by those people shouting at him..

  Kind of like " I'm the police officer here, you dont tell me what to do or how to do my job. "

  Anger and frustration can build up in situations like this even for cops while on duty.

  The video of Chauvin with his knee still on Floyd's neck even though the pedestrians could see Floyd was out cold, is a indication that Chauvin wasn't completely aware of what was going on.
  
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  Diogenesister

  Secondly, an addict usually knows his limits

  Redvip2000 Right, cause there are no addicts that die of an overdose.

  I did say usually. Yes addicts overdose, of course they do. But if we put alcohol -related stats to one side, it’s usually, almost universally in fact, when they use for the first time after having given up for some time.

  I don’t believe that is the case with Floyd. He was, however, getting older and that could be the salient fact when it comes to the possibility of his having a cardiac arrest.
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  Diogenesister

  Kind of like " I'm the police officer here, you dont tell me what to do or how to do my job. "

  Exactly. Ego took priority over training and the safety of his detainee.

  reThat’s not good enough in a trained officer. Or was he trained? I read somewhere that American cops in certain states are only given 3 months training. Nowhere near enough time given the level of danger they are regularly put in. Human instinct will kick in, and when that happens no one is safe.

  Remember our bodies might be in twenty first century America, but our brains are still out there on the Savannah where it evolved over millions of years. Sapiens have only lived in relatively safe and settled communities for a few thousand years by comparison.
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  minimus

  It’s too bad Floyd did everything HE DID and all hell broke loose. I’m sorry but the media and others portrayed him as a really good man. He fit a narrative and he died. He died due to probably many factors creating a perfect storm. I think it’s DISGUSTING that this guy has become the poster boy for all that’s wrong with the police.
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  Rocketman123

  Agree with you there Minimus
  

  .....and I still hold that whole affair had nothing to do with race

  The media took a substantial role in flaming up its a race issue.

  The media still today calls the event the murder of George Floyd.

  Like white cops murder a defenseless black man on the street .
  

  What happened to Floyd was a really concurrent amount of events with mitigating circumstances, where Floyd himself was greatly to blame toward the ending outcome.
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  Rocketman123

  Just rewatched the police body cam video of the take down and I would say Chauvin was wasn't taking due care of the situation especially when it was known that Floyd had passed out.

  He didn't let up and take any motion for recovery but then again all the cops there didn't make much of a attempt to check on the health of Floyd.

  Why would you need to hold person down like that when its obvious the person has fainted or maybe even gone into cardiac arrest ?

  You can tell also in the video that Floyd was high, even one cop made that notice.
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  Rocketman123

  Here is the video of the entire police take down via one cop's body cam.

  Warning its kind of disturbing .

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gQYMBALDXc
  
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  joey jojo

  Rocketman, I can't say whether pressure just on the neck with a knee is enough to make a person lose consciousness. I doubt it is, you really need both arteries restricted in my experience. Being pinned is uncomfortable and sometimes painful but not usually life threatening, unless of course there are underlying health issues.

  Cops don't often seem to have the nuance to know when to back off and go into first aid mode. They seem to have the mindset of subduing and shutting down, using too much force, probably because experience tells them not to take chances with their own safety.
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  Diogenesister

  You seem to imagine that illegal drugs are produced with as much care as legal drugs. If what you say were true we wouldn't see a huge spike in overdose deaths from fentanyl.

  We're not dealing with a smart person here.

  Here's another thought experiment:

  You can either have someone kneel on your shoulder for a few minutes.

  OR

  You can be given a dose of fentanyl 3x over the lethal limit.

  Fentanyl is NOT an illegal drug, it can be made in pharmaceutical labs perfectly legally but Floyd was taking it without a legal prescription by a Dr. The spike in deaths was due to the fact that they were selling it and saying it was heroin and people didn't know.

  I've known many addicts with very high IQs. It's emotional damage that causes addiction. If the cop just had his knee on the guys shoulder there wouldn't be this court case.

  There's no doubt Chauvin's defence will argue that we can't definitively know what killed him.A good lawyer will be able to put enough doubt in a jury's mind after all (and especially considering what he's facing) it's got to be beyond reasonable doubt.
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  Rocketman123

  It would appear that Floyd's death was a combination of numerous factors which involved physical suppression on both his neck and chest region, drugs in his system and possible Covid 19 virus symptoms .

  This was not an intentional murder, this was an act of negligence by the attending police in not responsibly looking after the health of a citizen in serious health distress and being the actual cause of the individual's health distress.
  

  The police officers there were under the assumption that Floyd simply passed out and that once the attending EMT arrived they would revive him .

  Derek Chauvin will probably take the brunt of the punishment since it was him that kept his knee across Floyd's neck once it was obvious to the officers he had already passed out.