Before i quit nursing, many nurses were brought in from literally everywhere and helped to find housing and took jobs from american nurses. A lot of the reasons were, nursing has become a very bad job here in usa, and nurses are getting fed up. After the first 5 years out of nursing school, many are ready to use there degree elsewhere . The reasons are many and varied. Nurses take a lot of abuse at work, from doctrors/managers and the patients. They are not paid all that well considering they are held responsible for so many things.(the life of the patient) In most of the usa their are no unions to help nurses so it is just awful. So in comes the flood of nurses form other countries. They take our jobs, and don't complain like we do. That may sound good, but it is not. It results in very poor patient care.Management in nursing is just like management in any other business. The bottom line is the buck. If they can save one by short changing the patient, they will Patients suffer b/c the nurse is not there as their advocate. The american nurse is generally more outspoken about patient care and will fight for the patient firghts. So outside cheap labor is effecting all areas, not just tech jobs.
More tech jobs going to cheap labor in India
by Elsewhere 55 Replies latest jw friends
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Elsewhere
I know what you mean about the lowering quality of nurses...
Years ago I was injured in the eye and had to be sedated in the hospital for 9 days while my eye healed. While there my eye started hurting so much that it woke me from the sedation. I called the nurses several times and they would not call the Dr... they were afraid to make him mad... I was afraid my eye was in trouble. Fortunately my mother came to visit and chewed them out and the Dr RELUCTANTLY came to see me. When he examined my eye he discovered that the internal pressure was at about 60... the normal value is about 10. Basically my eye was about to die because the internal pressure was not allowing normal blood flow because the pressure was greater than my blood pressure... causing it to starve. I don't know what the IV med was they used, but they quickly put a new bag on my IV and it quickly relieved the pressure saving my eye.
What do I blame? Over worked and over stressed nurses. A nurse should NEVER be afraid to call a Dr.
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ballistic
Nursing is the same in the UK. But I want to state for the record that I am not opposed to this one bit. Britain is very cosmopolitan, and we have a mixed culture more so than the USA. Even the outflow of work to the east has some good points. The only thing I am worried about is another recession caused by such a rapid outpouring. I have nothing against our indian "brothers" finding business here.
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berylblue
Ballistic, that was not my impression. Not of Yorkshire anyway. Not very cosmopolitan at all. I did see the rare Indian, but never a black person. Oh, there was a Chinese restaurant. My husband had never met a Jewish person until he came here. Have you ever been to the US? The Northeast is an extremely cosmopolitan area.
Look, as far as my Indian "sisters", I certainly wish them success. But I DO have a problem with our jobs going to persons pretending to be Americans/ Brits/whatever. A MAJOR problem with this. They are taking away jobs from my American sisters. I am (unfortunately) in consumer response. I guess I'm crap at being a world citizen, because I strongly resent the fact that Indians absolutely WILL be taking away jobs from the sort of persons with whom I work. And, if I am stuck there, from ME. They may very well someday have all the jobs at my current place of employment. My small company is actually owned by a huge phamaceutical company; you would immediately recognize the name. That company would have no problem at all subcontracting with a company in India to do what we are doing now. Now, indirectly, I work for a huge American food company. I would like to think that company would not want non-Americans representing their product, but if it came to dollars and cents, I would imagine they would as well.
Look, I am a lowly, underpaid consumer rep. I am only doing this temporarily until I start feeling more with it. Unlike most of my co-workers, I have other skills. But suppose I get stuck in my current position? I would not be surprised if I lost my job to an Indian who will work gladly for much less. Do I not have the right to be upset? I'm just not that magnanimous. I care deeply for others, and do what I can, but there is no way I am going to take someone pretending to be an American stealing my job graciously. Quite frankly, it s*cks big time.
As far as deception, callers get upset when they find out I am not in Chicago, the HQ for the products I represent. They feel cheated. At the very least, surprised to hear that this product's reps are outside Philadelphia when the address on the bottle states "Chicago". I can't imagine how they would react if they ever found out they were talking to non- Americans about what is a very American product.
Consumer response does not pay very well, but it pays better than Mc Donalds. Not everyone has had the opportunity to go to college or trade school. Many consumer reps at my place are there because their husbands of 25 years decided to split; these women, albeit highly intelligent in many cases, do not have any other skills. Others are there because they had some sort of personal tragedy in their lives (like me) and are trying to start over.
Altruism is great but this is just too close to home for me.
I'm starting to lose it, ....gotta go. Don't mean to offend, Ballistic, but I work with some lovely people who will be out of a job if this trend continues. I'd love to rejoice with the Indians who get the jobs they dearly desire, but I just can't. Can't.
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animal
I work for a major outsourcing company, and one of thier concerns IS India. Cheap engineering resourses are there, and many corps are using them. We do aerospace design work, and many of our regular customers are filtering work to the East. Such is life, I guess. Our advantage is our ability to work on-site, cheaper than flying people in from India.
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ballistic
I don't know the figures for the US but I can give you the UK example.
Every year in the UK there are 35,000 newly qualified graduates looking for work. In India there are 300,000 newly qualified graduates each and every year. The average wage in the UK is £25,000. The workers in Mumbai earn around £10,000 and live a good life on that.
Basically, the way I see it, is the so called "emerging markets" are doing exactly that, they are emerging into a Western economy, wages will rise and they will build their own economy for many years until they have their fair share of the pie. When it slows down with India because wages have risen and they are becoming less competitive, then another country will be doing the same thing. This is the era we live in now.
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sens
I have heard that most of the "online/chat" support you get is already in India.
Yer...I read in a I.T mag not long ago paypal and ebay are doing this...but also simon is right about the call centres also...because it mentioned that in the same article...
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ballistic
Ballistic, that was not my impression. Not of Yorkshire anyway. Not very cosmopolitan at all. I did see the rare Indian, but never a black person. Oh, there was a Chinese restaurant. My husband had never met a Jewish person until he came here. Have you ever been to the US? The Northeast is an extremely cosmopolitan area.
You are a bit mistaken with regard to the UK. Many cities here have more ethnic or foreign residents than British people, literally more, no exaggeration. It is a cause for concern for many people. I wouldn't say Yorkshire is on the hotlist LOL. But visit Leicester or even London and you will get a very different impression Beryl.
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berylblue
Warning: This post is full of self-aggrandizing bull. I don't usually blow my own horn, but this is a matter about which I feel very passionately.
I did visit London, and it was very cosmopolitan. Yorkshire was not, however. Not what I saw. Now, I've only spent about 8 weeks total in the UK, but my impression was that part of the UK was not very "mixed".
Have you been to the US, Ballistic?
I'm not trying to pass myself off as an expert on the UK; this is merely my observation. Not that it matters; merely living in the UK does not a cosmopolitan make, nor does living in Tokyo, NY, where ever. I am not myself very "cosmopolitan" but I do care for persons from all over the world.
Yes, in time maybe things will even out for all of us. I am being immature, selfish and childish. I know this. But it's just too much to ask of me right now to feel great about the wonderful lifestyle these Indians will have taking my job. And I don't think for one minute that those persons having better jobs and more income is going to solve any of the major problems in India; those starving in the hovels in Calcutta will still be starving.I do know a bit about India. It willl improve the lifestyle of those already doing fairly well in this rigid class system society. No one is going to be extricated from living in a hut in whereever and given a great opportunity to have a decent life. Those getting the jobs that Americas or Brits had already have a decent life in India. They are educated; they have had chances. Taking the jobs away from Americans is not going to solve any of the problems endemic in that society. My partner lived there for quite a while and has told me some stories which were downright horrifying. And the class system; Tim told me the things he saw with his own eyes there and it is unbelievable.
As I stated, his adopted son is Indian and I love this little boy. I have nothing against Indians. I have nothing against anyone except, perhaps, my ex husbands. I have sponsored Indian children through Children International. I just don't want an Indian women to get my job. If she is educated enough to be able to speak two (at least) languages, she is not being rescued from a life of abject poverty.
Maybe the women who get the jobs Americans and Brits have can sponsor an American or Brit child through Children International...now that would be most fitting. -
ballistic
Beryl, I actually felt exactly like you one year ago when this debate first started. Very worried and consequently passionate about it. But the more I thought about it, and also having the luxury of Indian friends, I began to see the broader picture.
In reality who is making the decision to make this happen? It is the share holders and directors in yours and my country who are looking at $$$. And out of this greed will actually be born something good, a balancing up between our world and theirs. Something that simply has to happen to bring about a fairer world and ultimately world peace.