The stuff they were printing in the Revelation Grand Climax book was what helped to wake me up, I realized they were just making stuff up, like the over lapping generation.
Prepare to get Pelted by Symbolic Hailstones
by raymond frantz 37 Replies latest watchtower bible
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lastmanstanding
Watchtower is laughable in the extreme. Firstly because the King of the North was Germany and was defeated by the "ships of Kittim" when WW2 ended There is no mention of the King of the North post that event.
Secondly, Watchtower idiots have reversed the roles of the King of the South and North because they cannot read the prophecy apart from their own arrogance.
Thirdly, because they have reversed the roles of these two kings, they are left with a confusing mess and are unable to offer any explanation of the details in Daniel's prophecy.
How, for instance, does "news" come from "the east and the north"... as in watchtower's nightmare, the Russians are the King of the North.
Young's helps explain.
"40 `And at the time of the end, push himself forward with him (USA) doth a king of the south, and storm against him (Germany) doth a king of the north, with chariot, and with horsemen, and with many ships; (D-day June 6, 1944) and he hath come in to the lands, and hath overflowed, and passed over, (USA is victorious and basically has taken over the planet)
41 and hath come into the desirable land, and many do stumble, and these escape from his hand: Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the sons of Ammon. (USA does not succeed in grabbing everything, many countries are still beyond their sticky claws)
42 `And he sendeth forth his hand upon the lands, and the land of Egypt is not for an escape; (USA controls the Suez Canal and has large military presence)
43 and he hath ruled over treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the desirable things of Egypt, and Lubim and Cushim [are] at his steps. (USA domination especially financial with USD the reserve currency)
44 `And reports trouble him out of the east and out of the north, and he hath gone forth in great fury to destroy, and to devote many to destruction; (intel from China and Russia send USA on a scorched Earth campaign)
45 and he planteth the tents of his palace between the seas and the holy desirable mountain, and hath come unto his end, and there is no helper to him. (Joe Biden among others have referred to Israel as a USA aircraft carrier that cannot be sunk and that if there was no Israel, USA would have to create one.) (Note: no helper for the USA tells us that NATO will not come to their aid.)
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aqwsed12345
@Duran
Your interpretation of the cited biblical passages reflects a highly speculative and selective approach to eschatology, heavily influenced by a framework resembling Jehovah’s Witness theology, but it lacks coherence when viewed in the light of proper biblical exegesis and the broader scriptural context. Let me address its flaws systematically, focusing on the misinterpretation of the cited verses.
Misinterpretation of Matthew 24:7-8 and Revelation 6:2-8
The claim equating World War III with the activity of the horsemen in Revelation 6 and the events of Matthew 24:7-8 is speculative and ignores the nature of apocalyptic literature. The four horsemen represent broader realities—conquest, war, famine, and death—affecting humanity throughout history, not a specific event like WW3. Matthew 24:7-8 describes general signs (wars, famines, earthquakes) that characterize the "beginning of birth pains," which have occurred repeatedly in history, not just in a modern geopolitical context.
The attempt to pinpoint these symbols to a contemporary event, such as a future world war, misuses apocalyptic imagery, which is inherently symbolic, not predictive of specific modern conflicts.
Misinterpretation of Revelation 17:13, 17 and Revelation 13:5
The argument that nations will give their power to the United Nations, making it the 8th king, conflates the symbolic language of Revelation with contemporary political structures without textual support. The "8th king" in Revelation 17:11 is described as arising from the seven kings, symbolizing successive world powers hostile to God, and ultimately heading toward destruction. This is symbolic of worldly opposition to God across ages, not a specific modern political entity like the UN.
Revelation 13:5 speaks of a beast given authority to act for 42 months, symbolizing a time of intense persecution. Associating this with a specific political organization like the UN is speculative and not supported by the text, which focuses on general opposition to Christ’s kingdom rather than any modern geopolitical body.
Equating the 8th King with the King of the North (KOTN)
Equating the "8th king" of Revelation with the "King of the North" in Daniel 11 demonstrates a lack of contextual understanding. The "King of the North" in Daniel refers to historical rulers (e.g., Antiochus IV Epiphanes) within the framework of the Seleucid Empire and the conflicts with the Ptolemaic Kingdom. While some interpret later portions of Daniel 11 as having eschatological significance, there is no textual evidence linking the King of the North to the 8th king or the UN.
Revelation and Daniel use different symbolic frameworks to address distinct themes, and forcing a connection between these figures creates an artificial synthesis not supported by the texts themselves.
Misinterpretation of the "Hour of Test" (Revelation 3:10)
The "hour of test" in Revelation 3:10 is a promise of protection to the faithful in Philadelphia, likely referring to specific trials in their historical context or general persecution faced by believers. It is a stretch to link this to a future global trial involving the UN or a one-world government. Revelation 3:10 focuses on spiritual perseverance, not political events.
The Concept of Wheat and Weeds (Matthew 13:38)
The parable of the wheat and weeds in Matthew 13:38 refers to the coexistence of righteous and wicked people within the world until the final judgment. Attempting to assign a specific eschatological timeline (e.g., the 42 months) to this parable misinterprets its focus on the final separation of the righteous and the wicked by God’s angels. The parable emphasizes patience and God’s ultimate justice, not a specific period of tribulation under an 8th king.
Speculation About the Great Crowd (Revelation 7:9, 14)
The "Great Crowd" in Revelation 7:9, 14 represents a multitude from all nations who have come through the "great tribulation," symbolizing faithful believers who remain loyal to God in the face of persecution. Claiming this group will undergo a period of tribulation under the 8th king before unifying in belief introduces speculative details not found in the text. Revelation emphasizes their worship of God and their deliverance, not their temporal journey toward doctrinal unity.
42 Months as a Literal Timeframe
The claim that the 42 months (Revelation 13:5) represents a literal period of future tribulation misreads the symbolic use of numbers in apocalyptic literature. The 42 months (or 1,260 days) symbolizes a limited period of persecution, paralleling similar symbolic timeframes in Daniel. It is not intended as a literal chronological prediction of future geopolitical events.
Misapplication of 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 speaks of God’s final judgment and the glorification of believers at Christ’s return. It does not support the claim that believers will endure a specific 42-month tribulation under the rule of an 8th king. Instead, it reassures believers of their ultimate vindication when Christ is revealed in glory.
Summary
This interpretation misuses apocalyptic and symbolic biblical texts, applying them to speculative modern scenarios without textual justification. Revelation and Daniel are not meant to provide a detailed timeline of future political events but to offer hope and assurance to believers facing persecution. Their focus is on God’s ultimate victory, not on specific geopolitical structures or timeframes.
The attempt to link the 8th king, the King of the North, and other figures into a cohesive eschatological framework ignores the unique contexts and purposes of these texts. Such speculative interpretations distract from the spiritual and theological messages of Scripture, which emphasize faithfulness, perseverance, and the certainty of God’s ultimate triumph. Instead of focusing on speculative timelines, a proper understanding of these passages should inspire trust in God’s sovereignty and encouragement to remain faithful in the face of trials.
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Vanderhoven7
And some suggest that the message of Jehovah’s Witnesses is a positive one.
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NotFormer
Man, even a poor old ginger cat gets clobbered at Armageddon! 😳🙀
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blondie
From my childhood the orange Paradise book upper left hand, bike, dog and child (now that made sleeping hard at hight)
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TonusOH
I remember the Paradise Lost book with the bright orange cover, and the drawings it contained related to Armageddon. Only when I got out did I realize how frequently they used this kind of morbid imagery. They seemed fascinated by large-scale death and destruction, and those scenes became part of the brand.
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peacefulpete
.......Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the worldBut when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me outDon't you know it's gonna be
Alright
Alright
AlrightYou say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're all doing what we canBut if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is, brother, you have to wait.......
