The underlying cause of rape

by Loris 74 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • waiting
    waiting
    Especially and specifically blameworthy are those female relatives, such as an aunt or even a mother , who have used boys as sexual playthings, thereby starting them on a road that leads to their having aggressive feelings toward women.

    Would have been an accurate statement - IF the fool had qualifed his statement.

    A woman who abuses a child (whether boy or girl) CAN cause emotional/physical/mental damage to that child. We know this.

    That sexually abused child CAN act out violently against other humans/animals/themselves. We know this.

    But ALL abuse victims do NOT become rapists/sexual abusers. And we know this too.

    Other than the above statement which WOULD have been accurate.........the writer's a fool.....and/or highly religious, imho.

    waiting

  • waiting
    waiting
    Awake, March 8, 1974 page 15

    lol! I didn't realize that it was an AWAKE magazine! Well, I stand by my statement - the writer IS a religious fool.

    But - remember that this article was written 29 YEARS ago! Even the WTBTS has changed it's tune to sexual criminals. Slowly, usually after it costs them money and/or publicity.........but the WTBTS can be made to change.

    waiting

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    Now fast-forward to this day and age please. Everything in life evolves! Haven't you all caught on to that yet?!

    Will you all stop using today's awesome technology in all aspects of life (radio, TV, communications, flight, etc., etc., etc.,) just because those things had obscure beginnings? Come now!

    The past is plenty obscure, and so it is with everything in life. Move on!

  • Loris
    Loris

    Doubtfully Yours

    The WTS

    had obscure beginnings

    to be sure. And held some off the wall stupid beliefs. But it grew into a muli-million dollar publishing corporation that still has some stupid hurtful beliefs. It now will shun anyone who does not subscribe to it's unique beliefs. These self same beliefs may get the same, "I can't believe they said that!" reaction 20 years from now. (ok I can't get the red out)

    My point in posting this was to show how outlandish they were in 1974. They have changed some things but kept other far worse and hurtful things. The attitude toward women has remained the same. It is not so blatantly spelled out in the magazines anymore but you have to remember that many people my age had their attitudes formed by these crackpots. I came into the religion in 1965. My attitudes and beliefs were formed then. The males from that era are the elders and the females are the elderettes teaching the younger women how to be a "proper" christian women. Many of the practices of the loyal dubs, especially the ones in for a long time, are not the result of this years "light". There is a lot of "urban legend" mentality at work in the Kingdom Hall.

    It's great to defend your belief system, but when it is cracked, get it fixed.

    Loris

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    The past is plenty obscure, and so it is with everything in life. Move on!

    As an eleven year old boy in 1974, I was told by everyone I knew and respected in life that the literature published by the WTBTS was straight from the mind of Jehovah (with only a couple of technical stops along the way to get it on paper and distributed).

    Part of "moving on" is trying to see to it that no more children are infected with such a detrimental lie.

  • shotgun
    shotgun

    What a load of garbage...........

    Scully I'm not so sure about your comment

    It's probably worth mentioning that in 1974 when this article was published, that the GB was comprised of people (like Fred Franz, for example) who were "career virgins".
    I think Freddy might have had sex with Rutherford.
  • Tatiana
    Tatiana

    Are All Men Potential Rapists?

    A new book says YES, all men are potential rapists and girls should be taught to be careful in their appearance and social activities...because rape is a "natural" impulse for men.

    An old myth comes back to life in this offensive new book....which disempowers and demeans men by labeling them helpless to their "natural" urge to rape and further perpetuates the notion that victims could have prevented being raped simply by dressing more carefully.

    Haven't We Progressed Beyond This?

    According to Thornhill and Palmer, "all men - under the right circumstances - could be potential rapists." - APB News, Jan 28, 2000

    "A guy, regardless of how he has been raised...finding a female in a real vulnerable situation...in some conditions rapes her," Thornhill said. - APB News, Jan 28, 2000

    Others Are Not Convinced:

    "These authors claims vacillate between the trivial and the unconfirmable," says Elisabeth Lloyd, professor of Philosophy of Science at the University of Indiana, "Their work fails to meet nearly every requirement for serious claim to evolutionary science." - Westward.com, Feb 10, 2000

    "Back at the turn of the century, people were saying immigrants had low IQs and we shouldn't let them into the United States. They should be put in prisons and not be allowed to mate, because it's all genetically based. It's a sad statement that this kind of stuff is being rehashed. It's irresponsible to make some of the statements Thornhill & Palmer are making. It reminds me of why people are suspicious of scientists. This makes us look bad and makes science look bad. " says Michelle Sauther, a Primatologist at the University of Colorado. - Westward.com, Feb 10, 20000

    "We are an evolved society. Why didn't they choose to look at burglary? They did it on rape because they have this theory that women should be blamed ," says Susan Brownmiller. - APB News, Jan 28, 2000

    Jonathan Stillerman, co-executive director of the Men's Rape Prevention Project in Washington DC fears that Thornhill's message is the wrong thing to teach. It "comes dangerously close to blaming women for being sexually assaulted. " - Washington Post, Jan 28, 2000

    "It's harmful and inconsistent with the American way of life. Not to go out or wear provactive clothing takes away constitutional freedoms to move about, freely associate and self-expression," says Mary Koss, psychology professor at the University of Arizona, who co-chaired the American Psychological Association's Task Force on Violence Against Women. "Rapists have been acquitted when defense attorneys argued that the woman was 'provactively dressed' in a turtleneck and knee-length skirt." - APB News, Jan 28, 2000

    " Thornhill gives sociobiology a bad name ...rape is a crime of violence that has mostly to do with young male agression and also with cultural attitudes," says Susan Brownmiller. - Washington Post, Jan 28, 20000

    Other scientists and academics feel the book's premise is based on sloppy science, dimisses the important contributions of social influence to rape prevention and could have potentially harmful consequences. - APB News, Jan 28, 2000

    It is the fear that victims will again be blamed for causing rape, just by being biologically present - or that rapists will somehow be excused by Darwinian imperative. - Washington Post, Jan 28, 2000

    " It's confused, scientifically weak and naive ," said Jerry Coyne, a professor of evolutionary biology at the University of Chicago. "The big question is, is it nature or are we responsible? I don't believe that [it is nature]. It's a pathology, a byproduct of agression. If they say that men will rape if they think they can get away with it, why are the vast majority of men incapable of rape?" - APB News, Jan 28, 2000

    To prevent rape, the authors suggest "that every male should complete a program that teaches him, in order to get a driver's license, to 'restrain his sexual behavior.' Women should be taught how to reduce their risk by not wearing 'provocative clothing' and avoiding situations like drunken fraternity parties." - Washington Post, Jan 28, 2000

    " It's absurd. This theory doesn't fit what we know about sexual assault ," says Robert Geffner, psychologist & president of the Family Violence & Sexual Assault Institute in San Diego. - USA Today, Jan 18, 2000

    What's It All About? The basic premise of the book is that women make a greater biological investment in their children than men do, therefore, women tend to be very picky about mates...searching for a man who not only has good genes, but who will stick around to bring home the bacon and maybe help change a few diapers. Men, on the other hand, are biologically geared to impregnate as many women as possible - and rape is simply a way to take away a woman's ability to choose.

    The book goes further to suggest that the reason rape is traumatizing to women is because it takes away her ability to choose the quality of her children's genes. Therefore, the book states, fertile women suffer most after being raped (children, post-menopausal women and men don't take it quite as hard).

    If the raped woman is married, her suffering is greater still - because now she has to worry about her insecure husband getting jealous....male jealousy, you see, is all about sex. Female jealousy, on the other hand, is about the risk of losing economic and material resources to another woman.

    If, however, the raped woman is lucky enough to have been physically injured, then her suffering is less. Why? Because, the authors claim, the more violent the rape, the less likely her jealous husband will think the sex was consensual. Where do the authors get their scientific evidence? After making a disclaimer that observations about primate behavior do not provide relevant information about human nature (but the behavior of dung flies and scorpion flies apparently does), they find a couple of orangutans and chimps...ignoring that the majority of primates (and other animals for that matter) do not exhibit sexual coercion. When not relying on hunches & best guesses, the bulk of their scientific support comes from Thornhill's area of expertise....bugs. The authors make a serious mistake by confusing a chosen behavior - rape - with a biological imperative to reproduce. This misguided work is similar to the books published years ago that attempted to explain racial differences with "biology." The people who disguised their bigotry with "science" then are frighteningly similar to the many people who now are quick to applaud this book which is, in essence, another attempt to blame bad male behavior on genes, the environment, the way women dress, where women go...everything except the perpetrators themselves. The book is unoriginal and outdated...reminiscent of attitudes that prevailed a few centuries ago, when men were viewed as utterly helpless against their physical urges, women were seen as materialistic, sexually teasing and coy, and rape was more a pastime then a crime.
  • Tatiana
    Tatiana

    sorry about the cut and paste...I was in a hurry....

  • avengers
    avengers
    Now fast-forward to this day and age please. Everything in life evolves! Haven't you all caught on to that yet?!

    Here's a quote from the WT. Kingdom Ministry Jan. 1988 which encourages the Witnesses such as you.

    1988 "You will find valuable information in the older publications." {KMIN Jan 1988 7}

    Wake up!

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    1988???!!! Still too far out.

    Bring it closer, CLOSER!

    I recall this elder that always quoted old publications in all his talks 'til one day I got up the nerve to tell him that those publications also contained outdated and wrong information, 'old light' I said, as we saw things in the present time. Jokingly I told him to update his mental library and keep up with the evolution of the Organization.

    He didn't like my observation, but I was ultimately right. So, from that time on I noticed he didn't quote from old publications as much anymore. However, he took a dislike to me that lasts until this very day.

    I was right, though.

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