New light: the GB are infallible (page 3)

AEnEm

Thanks Gorb. Yes they have said a number of times that they are not infallible or inspired and err in doctrine etc. The problem as far as I can see is that they also make contradictory statements which boil down to being infallible, or speaking directly for God as his channel (which means being inspired).

stan livedeath

Is Gary Breaux pronounced "Bro"--like rhyming with gateaux--gatto ?

in which case he is bro Bro.

Jalisco

Hi..look the facial language ..while he says it. he seems not to be very convinced.

NotFormer

They're doubling down. This can't be a good sign.

For all the talk of a kinder, gentler approach, it ain't gonna happen. Unaccountable people who consider themselves infallible rarely become nicer. They just keep telling you how much more you should be able to take, and keep ramping up the demands.

If that happens, say goodbye to their hope that some will come back. The harder they squeeze, the more who will leave.

Person

This not that new. In 2020 Gajus Glockentin in talk titled "Protect Yourself From Lies" said exactly the same thing namely to fully trust GB. I remember this because that was something that caught my attention and I even talked to an elder about this.

Scully

"Look the facial language ..while he says it. he seems not to be very convinced." - Jalisco

That, my friends, is the look of a man who is simultaneously (and involuntarily) hiking his balls up into his body while holding back an entire colon's worth of diarrhea.

Scully

Just a reminder of what the WTS has published in the Insight on the Scriptures Vol 2, p. 244 & 245

LIE. The opposite of truth. Lying generally involves saying something false to a person who is entitled to know the truth and doing so with the intent to deceive or to injure him or another person.
A lie need not always be verbal. It can also be expressed in action, that is, a person may be living a lie. The Hebrew verb that conveys the idea of speaking that which is untrue is ka·zav?. (Pr 14:5)
Another Hebrew verb sha·qar? means “deal or act falsely,” and the noun form is rendered “lie; deception; falsehood.” (Le 19:11; Ps 44:17; Le 19:12; Ps 33:17; Isa 57:4) Hebrew shaw?, at times rendered “untruth; falsehood,” basically refers to something worthless, vain, valueless. (Ps 12:2; De 5:20; Ps 60:11; 89:47; Zec 10:2) The Hebrew verb ka·chash? (deceive) evidently has the basic meaning “prove disappointing.” (Le 19:11; Ho 9:2) The Greek term pseu?dos and related words have to do with lying and falsehood.
The father, or originator, of lying is Satan the Devil. (Joh 8:44) His lie conveyed by means of a serpent to the first woman Eve ultimately brought death to her and to her husband Adam. (Ge 3:1-5, 16-19) That first lie was rooted in selfishness and wrong desire. It was designed to divert the love and obedience of the first human pair to the liar, who had presented himself as an angel of light, a benefactor. (Compare 2Co 11:14.) All other malicious lies uttered since that time have likewise been a reflection of selfishness and wrong desire.
People have told lies to escape deserved punishment, to profit at the expense of others, and to gain or maintain certain advantages, material rewards, or the praise of men.
Especially serious have been the religious lies, as they have endangered the future life of persons deceived by them. Said Jesus Christ: “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you traverse sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one you make him a subject for Gehenna twice as much so as yourselves.” (Mt 23:15) The exchange of God’s truth for “the lie,” the falsehood of idolatry, can cause a person to become a practicer of what is degrading and vile.—Ro 1:24-32.
The case of the religious leaders of Judaism in the time of Jesus’ earthly ministry shows what an happen when one abandons the truth. They schemed to have Jesus put to death. Then, when he was resurrected, they bribed the soldiers who had guarded the tomb so they would conceal the truth and spread a lie about the disappearance of Jesus’ body.—Mt 12:14; 27:1, 2, 62-65; 28:11-15; Mr 14:1; Lu 20:19.
Jehovah God cannot lie (Nu 23:19; Heb 6:13-18), and he hates “a false tongue.” (Pr 6:16-19) His law to the Israelites required compensation for injuries resulting from deception or malicious lying. (Le 6:2-7; 19:11, 12) And a person presenting false testimony was to receive the punishment that he desired to inflict upon another by means of his lies. (De 19:15-21) God’s view of malicious lying, as reflected in the Law, has not changed. Those desiring to gain his approval cannot engage in the practice of lying. (Ps 5:6; Pr 20:19; Col 3:9, 10; 1Ti 3:11; Re 21:8, 27; 22:15) They cannot be living a lie, claiming to love God while hating their brother. (1Jo 4:20, 21) For playing false to the holy spirit by lying, Ananias and his wife lost their lives. —Ac 5:1-11.
However, persons who are momentarily overreached in telling a lie do not automatically become guilty of an unforgivable sin. The case of Peter, in denying Jesus three times, illustrates that if a person is truly repentant, God will forgive him.—Mt 26:69-75.
While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it. Jesus Christ counseled: “Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw your pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open.” (Mt 7:6) That is why Jesus on certain occasions refrained from giving full information or direct answers to certain questions when doing so could have brought unnecessary harm. (Mt 15:1-6; 21:23-27; Joh 7:3-10)
Evidently the course of Abraham, Isaac, Rahab, and Elisha in misdirecting or in withholding full facts from non-worshipers of Jehovah must be viewed in the same light.—Ge 12:10-19; chap 20; 26:1-10; Jos 2:1-6; Jas 2:25; 2Ki 6:11-23.
Jehovah God allows “an operation of error” to go to persons who prefer falsehood “that they may get to believing the lie” rather than the good news about Jesus Christ. (2Th 2:9-12) This principle is illustrated by what happened centuries earlier in the case of Israelite King Ahab. Lying prophets assured Ahab of success in war against Ramoth-gilead, while Jehovah’s prophet Micaiah foretold disaster. As revealed in vision to Micaiah, Jehovah allowed a spirit creature to become “a deceptive spirit” in the mouth of Ahab’s prophets. That is to say, this spirit creature exercised his power upon them so that they spoke, not truth, but what they themselves wanted to say and what Ahab wanted to hear from them. Though forewarned, Ahab preferred to be fooled by their lies and paid for it with his life.—1Ki 22:1-38; 2Ch 18.

Read this part again: While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.

So, the WTS gives itself an "out" whenever they knowingly tell a lie, or predict something falsely, because the R&F can be deemed by them to be "not entitled to" "truthful information."

Riddle: How can you tell when a GB member is lying?

Answer: Their lips are moving.

peacefulpete

Another thread quoted the July WT with words that laid it out quite clearly.

Being prideful could lead us to consider our personal opinions to be just as valid as Scriptural principles and direction from Jehovah’s organization.
Jehovah will help us put his thoughts, which he provides through his Word and his organization, ahead of our own.

YOUR opinions are 'invalid and prideful', the GB's 'directions' are "God's thoughts".

If I told a JW I had joined a religion in which I am encouraged to stop thinking for myself and let a dozen old men pass "God's thoughts" to me, they would immediately think I had joined a cult.

Somehow through years of repetition and doublespeak, they no longer hear it when it comes from the WT.

Mikejw

The GB were not neutral when it came to covid vaccines. They very strongly pushed them even saying Elders could not attend elders school unless fully vaccinated. This applied to all schools or projects. Even volunteers for car park security needed to be fully vaccinated which some think means no longer than six months since last booster shots.

Elders were warned about expressing doubts about the safety of these vaccines. If they ever said I’m not convinced these are safe then they were warned to stop expressing doubts and if they didn’t then the CO was brought in,

So it comes down to this Gary Breaux claims The GB "never lie or deceive us. We can have absolute trust in the Governing Body".

can we have absolute trust that these cv19 vaccines are safe and effective? Or did the GB get it wrong and perhaps they are not so expert on experimental pharmaceutical treatments as they claimed

Ron.W.

If I told a JW I had joined a religion in which I am encouraged to stop thinking for myself and let a dozen old men pass "God's thoughts" to me, they would immediately think I had joined a cult.

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New light: the GB are infallible

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