I got my nerve up, gonna try this again!

by LostMyReligion 28 Replies latest jw friends

  • LostMyReligion
    LostMyReligion

    Greetings everyone. I first posted to this board as "Truman" about 2 months ago. It was a time of deep depression, confusion, fear, and paranoia for me, as I had just 3 weeks before discovered that everything I had believed for 27 years was only a pipe dream.. Everyone was very welcoming, but after only a few posts, I got so afraid I had to stop. I was fearful of revealing too much, being somehow discovered, and of the possibility of saying the wrong thing, incurring the ire of my betters here. I changed my name because the other one seemed to cause gender confusion, as it is a male name and I am not (a male that is).

    Anyway, I would like to tell a little about myself and the new journey in life that I have begun. I was baptized as a witness in 1974, at the age of 19. I have raised 2 sons (now in their 20's) as witnesses. One was a pioneer out of HS, a ministerial servant at 18, went to Bethel for a year, came home and got married, and is now a very devoted and happy witness with wife.

    The other is also a very good young man, but has chosen a different path. Always a thinker, he asked at 6 years of age, "How do we know we have the right religion?" He remained a witness until 21, when he was removed by the elders from a job at the KH which he valued. The reason was insufficient service time, not irregular, just not enough.. After that, the doubts and misgivings he had for years coupled with this rejection based on numbers not behavior was too much, and he left.

    As for me, I have always been a less than joyful witness. Service seemed designed to torture me, as I am basically shy and do not like to push my opinions on others. From the first one I attended, meetings were boring, intellectually numbing, and something to be borne with grim determination. And assemblies were a trial, as I hate being in crowds. One might wonder how I could spend nearly 3 decades feeling like that. What can I say? I thought it was the only right thing to do, and if it was painful for me, well that was my own failing, but I was doing the best for my children. All that, and mind control too!

    After my younger son left the "truth", I became extremely depressed. I had failed as a parent, and how could I be happy in paradise knowing my beloved child was not there. Also the lack of concern for my son by the cong elders greatly distressed me. Enter the Internet! One afternoon, I was looking for info on Multi-level marketing (mlm) with Jw son. He had been approached and I wanted to show him how they work and suck people in. We found a web page which referred to Amway, and also to the WTS both as Borg. As long time Star Trek fans we knew the referrence, but could tell that this was APOSTATE information! He said he did not want to look at that, so we clicked away. Having always been very curious about just what those clever, devious apostates had to say, (but staying away from it like a good little witness till now) I could not resist sneaking a peek a few days later. I had always thought that I would find a lot of disgruntled wrongdoers trying to justify themselves and a lot of scripture twisting. But that is not what I found.

    I started reading, but got a little scared, so I went back to the mlm info. I began to read a document which listed mind control techniques these groups use to control and manipulate members, and it all began to sound disturbingly familiar. I suddenly saw why I was depressed all the time. Identifiable, quantifiable mind control techniques were being used on us as witnesses. I thought, if the WTS had the truth, would it really need to be enforced by these methods? I kept reading at freeminds and other sites for 2-3 hours, and at the end of the session, it was as if everything I had believed had evaporated in front of my eyes like a mist. I knew I could never view any of it the same. Since then I am online reading everything I can find on the WTS.

    My whole world was upended, and I had to begin rethinking my world view from ground zero, but the most distressing thing was how to deal with the JW son. I was in agony over the possibility of losing him. I finally decided to tell, and he was stunned and confused. It was the worst day of my life, but we have reached a state of equilibrium now. I still go to most meetings, as I do not want him to suffer the questions and pity, and I am trying to fade away very slowly.

    Things are better now, but this whole recovery thing looks like a very long term project. I have begun covertly attending an exjw support group, and it is very helpful, but I feel a little like a secret agent on a mission! And there is the tendency to feel guilty for the "double life". Also I have been corresponding privately with a couple of your resident posters, and that has helped me get my spirit up a little. Hi Riz and Patio34!

    I have been reading this board everyday, and I enjoy all the viewpoints and interchanges, and look forward to joining in. Just please be gentle with me, 'cause I have a hard time with rejection (sure made being in the door-to-door work fun)! Thanks for listening.

    LostMyReligion

  • professor
    professor

    You are doing what you must to keep the family together. I admire that. Your family should always come first. It sucks that most JW's don't believe in that idea.

  • Scorpion
    Scorpion

    LostMyReligion,

    Thank you for sharing this. I hope your JW son will see the real truth about the "truth" and leave the "truth" to follow real truth.

    You know what I mean.

  • crossroads
    crossroads

    Welcome and please may your stay be
    longer and more enjoyable this time

    Peace and Love
    MARK

  • anglise
    anglise

    Welcome Lostmyreligion,

    I can feel for you.
    We seem to have at least on the surface a similar history in the org.
    Yes you must try to keep your family together, but you must also consider your own life and sanity.
    Its really good that you have an xjw group near you, I have never been to one, I dont think there are too many of them here in the UK, but I find going on-line really helps.
    Feel free to email me if you think it would help.
    Above all dont ever give up.

  • larc
    larc

    I want to add my warm welcome.

    You don't need to be shy with us. We feel for you and identify with the trauma you have experienced as well as the sense of freedom you must feel along with much uncertainty. Your writing is a wonderful expression that helps you by writing it and helps us by reading it to remind us why we are here. To help each other. I am one the guys here. If you have read a lot, you have probably read my posts. I either writer humor or very analytical stuff. This time, however, I have to tell you that your writing brougth me to the edge of crying, and that is not a bad thing. God bless you.

  • Jang
    Jang

    Good to see you back ..... and congratulations to taking back your life.

    If you find it difficult to senak out to the support group then there are also private mailing lists that you join where there are many others in similar positions as yourself and no one will know. You will find a lot of support and lots of people to discuss things with privately ....to subscribe go to:

    For us girlst only there are:

    For us girlst only there are:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/women-awake
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/4xjwladies

    another list you can join is Jesus Witnesses ... its isn't a religious group despite its name .... but that is for both sexes and we have just about anyone you can think of there and have lots of fun.

    to subscribe go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jesus-witnesses

    and then there is : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExJehovahsWitnesses
    and : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xjws
    and : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EXJW-HEALING
    and : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pioneeroutreach

    OK Fellas, there is one for the men only at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xjwmen

    You can use an alias to protect your identity.

    JanG

  • neyank
    neyank

    Hi LostMyReligion,
    Welcome to the board.
    You've summed up how many of us felt when we discovered that the WTS was not
    what they claimed to be.
    It's hard admitting to ourselves that we've been duped into believing that the WTS
    was Gods chosen org.
    Their record of failed prophecies and changes in thier teachings is enough to show that
    God is NOT backing them.

    As far as field service and meetings,I felt the same way.
    I hated having to give a talk because I would get stage fright.
    I also dreaded field service. I always hoped no one was home when I knocked on
    thier doors.

    But we don't have to be bashful here. (No one can see us)

    neyank

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Hello LostMyReligion,

    Welcome to the board! It's good to see you had the courage and honesty to overcome your fears and begin to post. There are a lot of fine, caring people who can help you in many ways. I hope your ex-JW support group is helpful, too.

    I'm glad to see you're taking things slowly with your JW son. You didn't mention a Mr. Lost, so it would appear that he's not a consideration for whatever reason. Don't ever feel guilty about finding the truth about "The Truth". It takes time to get used to the idea that JWs don't comprise "God's organization" and it can take a long time to get over the guilt that has been ingrained in you for 30 years. But it will pass, especially as you associate with people who left the Borg behind and live normal lives.

    Given what you posted, it seems that the gentle approach will be best to show your son about your newfound knowledge. Some people can take being hit over the head to make them wake up; others can't. You know your family best so you have to do what you think is best. It might take years, or he might never see the light, or something might strike him like a bolt out of the blue. You have to be mentally and emotionally prepared for any eventuality. You might also open up to your younger son and get him involved. Often, brothers or sisters can be a lot more effective than parents in getting someone to listen. However, watch out that the younger one doesn't get scared right back into the JWs. That has happened more than once.

    One technique of drifting away and simultaneously creating a 'problem' that your JW son will probably want to 'solve' is to gradually cut down on meeting attendance and other activities. If people ask what's wrong, usually just mumbling about being tired or busy or whatever good excuse you can find will put them off long enough for you to drop to the edge of their consciousness. If people push you, don't give in to the urge to spill it all, because likely as not the person you tell will get very scared and run straight to the elders with charges of apostasy against you. Then you may well have lost the battle for your son.

    The watchword is subtlety. Dropping little problems here and there, which are not solvable within the Watchtower system except by ignoring them, will often spark the interest of an intelligent JW. No pushing, just bits of information set out as something of interest. You'd be surprised how internally upset this can make some JWs, but not at you since you only pointed out something that they verified for themselves. In my experience these things have little to do with the core of JW religious beliefs, since trying to tackle them is like trying to get through 15-inch steel armor. There are much more effective topics that will get a JW to think, without tripping his 'apostasy' alarm.

    One other potential problem for you personally is what you're going to do with your religious life during your winding down process. A lot of people will try to pull you this way and that. The best course is to sit tight for a long, long time before making any definite decisions. During the interim, read, read, read! Take a college course or get a degree. Talk to people of all sorts of persuasions and don't let yourself become too convinced by what anyone says. Learn how to think for yourself all over again, and get rid of 30 years of JW training that teaches you to just accept what an apparent authority tells you. Learn lots of things you never had time for or interest in as a JW, then discuss it with intelligent others. Even get involved in arguments and debates. All of this will help you figure out for yourself what you want to believe or reject.

    Whatever you do, you'll find plenty of support on this board.

    Oh, and don't let the braindead JW defenders here bother you. I'm sure you've already spotted them, as they're far more braindead than your average Witness cult member.

    AlanF

  • Francois
    Francois

    Hello LMR:

    And a warm welcome to you. I know just how much courage it has taken for you to progress to this point. Believe it or not, I was a lot like you early on the beginning of my end with the witnesses. I was very shy, terrified of rejection at the door, intellectually stultified at meetings and assemblies, and just plain bored to death. Not only that but I was torn at the idea that I was expected to adopt an entire set of viewpoints, outlooks, opinions and actions that did violence to my own sense of honor, of mercy, compassion, and justice.

    After I left the Borg, I went through a period where I felt as if I had no relationship with God, and of course couldn't trust anyone in the "world." I was shortly amazed to find that people in the hated "world" were much kinder, gentler, real, honest, non-judgemental, and sincere than what I had come to expect from the witnesses. I'm sure you'll find the same thing.

    I notice that you've been given very good hints about how to fade out of the witnesses in a way that may allow you to keep your family together. I think you can be successful at this effort if you procede slowly and carefully. I can't advise you in this area, since I didn't take that approach. But I do know that any formal action on your part like letter-writing, open disagreement, etc. won't lead to where you want to go.

    Again, I want to welcome you to our humble site. I've not been here very long myself, and it has taken me a little while to fit in. When I first got here, even after all those years, I was kinda defensive, and somewhat angry, perhaps verbose and short.

    I don't know what happened. When I read now some of my first posts, I think "that must have been my evil twin that said that." It was sorta like all the anger and frustration at losing my family for 16 years came boiling up with people who were totally innocent. I guess I'm saying "I'm sorry." Just another example of how the JW cult can have long-term effects on your mind and emotions. Inconsistency was always a big part of the JWs.

    Glad to have you with us. I hope you will stay around and join in when you feel like it.

    Francois

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