Lets pretend jw's disappeared

by atheist_R_stupid 56 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Welcome Atheist-R-Stupid, it is great to have another Watchtower apologist on board to spice things up. It shows the casual observer the mindset of a JW, which in your case seems to be a huge amount of pent up agression, and black and white thinking.

    If all JWs left, they wouldn't all support abortion, etc, as you state, then you are just parroting the thinking the Watchtower wants you to believe. 

    Furthermore, some of the things you have mentioned may be commendable aspects of the JW community, but that does not make the religion healthy, once considering all the evil aspects of it. As Watchtower likes to say, you wouldn't drink a glass of water if you knew it had poison in it, regardless of how clean the rest of the water was.


  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    JW's are no voice in the community.  Let each parent try to raise their kids right and then each person find their own voice as far as premarital relations, military service, voting, blood, etc. etc. etc.
  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

     

     

    If the JWS disappeared right now there would be a lot of very sad and frustrated people who invested into selling JWorg. paraphernalia.

     

     

  • problemaddict 2
    problemaddict 2

    ARS,

    Welcome to the board.  I was once like you in some ways.  Felt that i had airtight arguements to basically make the "the good is more good than the bad is bad" argument.  I would get on baords, and engage ex-JW's in banter.  I would be the reasonable one, and many of them I fetl were just angry and bitter.  Once I stopped going to meetings, and actually listened to peoples stories (as I developed my own), I began to think very differently.

    Regarding your post, it is FULL of assumption.  Would the USA be better off with 1 million JW's, than with just 1 million regular Joes filtering into whatever section of life they would have lived? 

    Pointless hypothetical. 

    I am sure the world would keep spinning, Obama would be president, people would be able to hand out leaflets without issue, we probably would still of had a housing crisis, and a host of other things would be the same.

    Would there be some good lost?  Specific court cases?   A push on the medical establishment forced to come p with alternatives to one religions nonsensical approach to medical care?  Maybe.  Are some people better off with a moral code and the controlling hand of the religion?  Most assuredly.

    Would there be bad lost?  Would a lot of those million people actually have gone to college or tried to help society and the world in a way more meaningful that handing out Watchtowers?  Would thousands have NOT died because of refusing blood behind a doctrine not rooted in scripture and good scholarship?  Would free thinking kind people have done something more meaningful with their time and effort then what they are doing now?  Maybe.

    Its pointless.  Nobody here thinks JW's are going away.  But many are on here for support of their breaking families, dead loved ones over the blood doctrine, years lost behind following men while thinking they were following God, and loss of friends and support structure simply for no longer believing the way they once did when they were younger.  Some even suffer communal shunning from those whom they have loved. 

    I'm fortunate to not have been disfellowshipped.  In fact, I haven't done anything to be DF'd for.  Yet that does not stop rumors, hurtful gossip, and even some friends and family from shunning.

    What a shame. 

    Anyways, I would love to talk to you about some of your points if you are open for a civil discussion.  Not so much a debate, but just an interchange of ideas.  I welcome your viewpoint (not many active JW's that AREN'T looking for support to leave on here now-a-days), and hope you will actually speak.  feel free to PM me if you prefer.

    Take care.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    problemaddict 2 - " In fact, I haven't done anything to be DF'd for."

    Except maybe posting fairly regularly here. ;)

  • MissFit
    MissFit
    Great post problematic.  I hope he will take you up on your offer. 
  • problemaddict 2
    problemaddict 2

    BTTT


    .....and Vidiot.......that may be true.  can a person be disfellowshipped for conversating on the internet?  ARS is doing it, and I am doing nothing different.

    I wonder.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    PA2: can a person be disfellowshipped for conversating on the internet?

    You're hanging out with known apostates and making comments critical of the WTBTS. That is the unforgivable sin. That and bad spelling!

  • problemaddict 2
    problemaddict 2

    Oubliette........I make no claims of spelling prowess. 

    I will however brothel accept the counsel.  If we need to form a comitee I ask it be Simon, Cofty, and yourself.  Chaserious can be an alternate.

    I repent.

    Wait....you people are apostates!?  Why didn't anyone tell me so!

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    PA2, I'm quite intrigued that you will BROTHEL accept the counsel.

    That is the most whore-able spelling error I've ever seen.

    And yes, we are apostates!

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