About 10; 4 are still in.
I don't feel one iota of guilt. I did what I did then because I absolutely thought it was the moral thing to do. I do what I do now for the same reason.
Craig
How many people did you personally bring into the truth?
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logansrun
Two. Joe and Sheila. I'm sorry.
Bradley
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little witch
My point is this.
Jws go to meetings on Thursdays, that are role playing, acting rehearsals.
You were trained well (albeit wrong).
If you had a conversion, than that is not your fault, it was not of your doing. It was a chalk up from the society. They designed the conversion script (remember thursday nite rehearsals)?
This is one of the things we should be putting out to the public....
How many hours of acting class did you put in?
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Gopher
The responses from this group seem like a good cross-section. If you asked an average group of JW's the same question, it would seem that the majority would answer they helped nobody convert, or maybe just one.
Then there are a select few people who are (or I should say, were) quite good at the ministry, like Mouthy, Mulan and Onacruse. They just had the knack. Mulan is still engaged in marketing and does quite well at it.
It goes to show that different people have different talents. To force EVERYONE to go into the public ministry (as if that were some sort of spiritual barometer) is like trying to fit square pegs into round holes.
Oh -- I had Bible studies, but nobody ever converted. I guess I'm not much of a marketer.
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run dont walk
this is one thing I am so proud of in my life ..........
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Sassy
Oh -- I had Bible studies, but nobody ever converted. I guess I'm not much of a marketer.
I guess if we ever have a product to sell.. we won't ask you to market it for us then Gopher....
(JUST KIDDING)... speaking as one who couldn't sell a pair of shoes....
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little witch
Craig,
Does it not compute at all that what you did (are doing) is feeling good for you, but really sucks for others?
I'm sorry. But you sound like "I was right then, therefore I am right now".
From what I know of you here, you have went through a metamorphosis.
Maybe I am wrong. Do you still think you are right and others are wrong? Do you see any gray area at all?
Please explain...
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iiz2cool
How many did I bring into the truth? None. I did however teach one young man a pack of lies, and watched him regress to the point of baptism. I'm pretty sure he found the truth and left the org by now.
Walter
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Sassy
Does it not compute at all that what you did (are doing) is feeling good for you, but really sucks for others?
I don't know that that is really all that fair. It wasn't like anyone who did teach someone about being a JW did so to blind them and ruin their life. We didn't. If you taught someone something at the time, it was because one wanted to help them. Typically if we brought someone into the 'truth' they also are aware then if we leave, so thereby we also give them the example that we don't believe it any more. Perhaps giving them reason to wonder. Its like that thread with all the arguments about if the WT is to blame, I think there is more guilt for us to deal with if we raised our children from infancy to be blind and want to help them get out. I know my children are messed up between their crappy dad and being raised as JWs... Fortunately when they have children the chain is broken and no more new JWs in the family.
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onacruse
LW, good question!
Note that I said "the moral thing," not, "the right thing." What is moral for me may not be moral for someone else. It's not a matter of my "morals" being intrinsically better than someone else's; it's a matter of being as true to myself as I can/could be, at any point in my life. And in that self-realization (to the limited extent that I'm able to 'see myself for what I am'), I'm finally, really, stepping (emphasis on the present tense) away from b/w judgmentalism. In fact, I'm now convinced that virtually everything in our lives is gray, and subjective.
I've been meaning to start a thread about Protagorus's "Man is the measure of all things." imho that shows from whence true self-worth derives.
Craig