Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman 349 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Jeffro

  'scholar':

  The subject of the Jewish Exile is uncontested by scholars especiallt Jewish scholars but remains unknown amongst WT critics and Carl Jonsson

  Trying to imply that Jewish scholars support a 70 year exile is such an obvious lie. 🤦‍♂️ Jewish Virtual Library:

  The Chaldeans, following standard Mesopotamian practice, deported the Jews after they had conquered Jerusalem in 597 BC. The deportations were large, but certainly didn't involve the entire nation. Somewhere around 10,000 people were forced to relocate to the city of Babylon, the capital of the Chaldean empire. In 586 BC, Judah itself ceased to be an independent kingdom, and the earlier deportees found themselves without a homeland, without a state, and without a nation.

  (Note that Jewish tradition places the destruction in 586 BCE, however, 587 BCE is the correct year. See 586 or 587?)
  
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  Jeffro

  The Chaldeans, following standard Mesopotamian practice, deported the Jews after they had conquered Jerusalem in 597 BC. The deportations were large, but certainly didn't involve the entire nation. Somewhere around 10,000 people were forced to relocate to the city of Babylon, the capital of the Chaldean empire. In 586 BC, Judah itself ceased to be an independent kingdom, and the earlier deportees found themselves without a homeland, without a state, and without a nation. This period, which actually begins in 597 but is traditionally dated at 586, is called the Exile in Jewish history; it ends with an accident in 538 when the Persians overthrow the Chaldeans.

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  Trying to imply that Jewish scholars support a 70 year exile is such an obvious lie. 🤦‍♂️ Jewish Virtual Library:

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  You need to check your comprehension for the above-cited reference refers to the Exile representing the Babylonian Exile which of course is that same 70 year period.

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  (Note that Jewish tradition places the destruction in 586 BCE, however, 587 BCE is the correct year. See 586 or 587?)

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  Most scholars favour 586 most notable was Edwin Thiele so yoy have a big problem here with 587 so methinks 607 is a better candidate as it is based on the 70 year Jewish Exile.

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  Jeffro

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  Jeffro

  Poor doofus. I know you’re too far gone to see beyond your indoctrination. I comment on your nonsense for the benefit of other readers or as it amuses me. As you’ve been sufficiently trounced, you can go now.
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  peacefulpete

  Drivel red herring sophistry to confuse an unsure audience . Both scriptures are referring to the 70 year captivity of Judah in Babylon.

  Sorry, don't see any red herring sophistry, I'm letting the texts speak as to how the expression was used. Zechariah is clearly not just concerned about Babylon as Babylon had been conquered by the Persians 20 years before his "vision". He saw the end of the "70 years" as connected to the completion of the temple.
  
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  BruceX

  One contradiction should be enough. How many contradictions does a JW need to obey God more than men?

  1 Tim 6:20:

  "Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called “knowledge." (NWT)

  The Bible doesn't teach 1914. This teaching is full of contradiction.
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  Sanchy

  Scholar, this is why you should listen to your buddies over at JWTalk and refrain from engaging with "apostates", for when you do, you inadvertently help reveal why WT theology is wrong.
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  punkofnice

  F&DS. Hahaaaaa. I laugh up my ruffled sleeve.

  Geoff Jackson at the Australian Royal Commission Aug 15
  Angus Stewart Q. And do you see yourselves as Jehovah God's spokespeople on earth?
  G Jackson answered. “That I think, would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that God is using.“

  
  

  So, what's this that Jackson is saying? there are other F&DS's?

  I'm so glad I don't believe this clap trap anymore. All this debate about something from a book of fiction and fairy tales has people wasting their time debating rubbish. What a waste of time and life. Even now I regret even considering this poppycock.
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  TonusOH

  Maybe Jackson is admitting that the GB are quite presumptuous. His appearance at that inquiry was fortuitous; you could have made a drinking game- take a shot every time he didn't give a straight answer. Tony Morris would have run out of liquor very quickly!