Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman 349 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Jeffro

  peacefulpete:

  You and Scholar have passionately argued alternate timelines that require a precision and certitude we just can't possibly have.

  The NeoBabylonian period is one of the best attested periods in antiquity with documentary evidence for every year of the period. Whilst we do not have Babylonian records for the destruction of Jerusalem itself, the records in the Bible that are also found in Babylonian records (most notably the main deportation in early 597BCE) are completely consistent, and there is little reason to suppose that only the date of Jerusalem’s destruction would be uniquely unreliable (and the accession dating references interpolated at Jeremiah 52:28-30 also appears to be from Babylonian sources). To say we cannot be precise about events in that period is simply wrong. ‘scholar’ on the other hand just parrots Watch Tower Society drivel.
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  BruceX

  The Saturn position is interesting since it moves slow in the sky and points to 568 for Nebuchadnezzar’s 37th year.
  
  To check out: https://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Yoursky
  
  Location Baghdad: 33°31'52" N, 44°37'1" E
  
  Universial Time: -568-04-22 1:00:00
  Saturn is near Pisces and Pegasus (known as Swallow in the past and VAT 4956 says Saturn was in front of Swallow)
  
  Universial Time: -588-04-22 1:00:00
  Saturn cannot be seen.
  
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  scholar

  Bruce X

  I'd like to know what scholar's interpretation of Jeremiah 29:10 (NWT) is. What does Jeremiah mean when he says "When 70 years at Babylon are fulfilled". What does "at" here mean? 70 years exile in the city of Babylon? I read this same verse in another NWT language where it says "in Babylon".

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  'at Bbabylon' has a locative meaning in the sense of place or location and is similar to 'in Babylon'. However, most translations render the phrase as; 'for Babylon' which has a purposive meaning rather than a locative meaning. In either case, it shows that the Jews were exiled in Babylon and under Babylon's domination for the full period of 70 years.

  scholar JW
  
  
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  BruceX

  scholar:

  'at Bbabylon' has a locative meaning in the sense of place or location and is similar to 'in Babylon'. However, most translations render the phrase as; 'for Babylon' which has a purposive meaning rather than a locative meaning. In either case, it shows that the Jews were exiled in Babylon and under Babylon's domination for the full period of 70 years.

  So they were exactly 70 years or at least for 70 years in exile in Babylon?
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  scholar

  Jeffro

  The NeoBabylonian period is one of the best attested periods in antiquity with documentary evidence for every year of the period. Whilst we do not have Babylonian records for the destruction of Jerusalem itself, the records in the Bible that are also found in Babylonian records (most notably the main deportation in early 597BCE) are completely consistent, and there is little reason to suppose that only the date of Jerusalem’s destruction would be uniquely unreliable (and the accession dating references interpolated at Jeremiah 52:28-30 also appears to be from Babylonian sources). To say we cannot be precise about events in that period is simply wrong. ‘scholar’ on the other hand just parrots Watch Tower Society drivel.

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  How can it be said that the NB Period is well attested with documentary evidence for every year when it fails to address the Jewish Exiles in Babylon for 70 years, fails to account for the 'Babylonian Gap' of the missing 20 years and the missing 7 years of Neb's vacancy from the throne.

  Thus such errors or missing evidence proves the unreliability of the NB Period in relation to the biblical history of the Late Judean period of the 6th century.

  scholar JW
  
  
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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  How can it be said that the NB Period is well attested with documentary evidence for every year when it fails to address the Jewish Exiles in Babylon for 70 years, fails to account for the 'Babylonian Gap' of the missing 20 years and the missing 7 years of Neb's vacancy from the throne.

  It’s almost as though the JW (Adventist) interpretation is a load of nonsense that isn’t consistent with the well established facts. Go figure. 😂
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  scholar

  BruceX

  So they were exactly 70 years or at least for 70 years in exile in Babylon?

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  Yes, right down to the very day and month of Tishri from 607 -537 BCE

  scholar JW
  
  
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  scholar

  Jeffro

  t’s almost as though the JW (Adventist) interpretation is a load of nonsense that isn’t consistent with the well established facts. Go figure. 😂

  -- What I figure is that your nonsense is more akin to that of the Adventists. Go figure!!!

  scholar JW
  
  
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  peacefulpete

  The handling of available data is the issue, I understand that. The data that they and we have access to is more than enough to discredit their dogma.
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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’ responding to Bruce’s series of questions is like a cow staring at an oncoming train. To spoil the ending, the big reveal is that the travel time to and from Jerusalem means they couldn’t have been ‘at Babylon’ for the full 70 years anyway. Which would be yet another problem in the JW chronology, but the bigger problem is that it would be nonsensical to ‘turn attention to their return’ after 70 years if they were by then already there.