Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

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  • M*A*S*H
    M*A*S*H

    Matthew 19

    10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
    11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

    Who are "eunuchs who were born that way"?
  • littlerockguy
    littlerockguy

    Heterosexual privilege checklist

    This list is based on Peggy McIntosh’s article on white privilege. These dynamics are but a few examples of the privilege which heterosexual people have. Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and queer-identified folk have a range of different experiences, but cannot count on most of these conditions in their lives.

    On a daily basis as a heterosexual person…

    1. I can be pretty sure that my roommates, hall-mates and classmates will be comfortable with my sexual orientation.

    2. If I pick up a magazine, watch TV, or play music, I can be certain my sexual orientation will be represented.

    3. When I talk about my heterosexuality (such as in a joke or talking about my relationships), I will not be accused of pushing my sexual orientation onto others.

    4. I do not have to fear that if my family or friends find out about my sexual orientation there will be economic, emotional, physical or psychological consequences.

    5. I did not grow up with games that attack my sexual orientation (i.e., fag tag or smear the queer).

    6. I am not accused of being abused, warped or psychologically confused because of my sexual orientation.

    7. I can go home from most meetings, classes, and conversations without feeling excluded, fearful, attacked, isolated, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance, stereotyped or feared because of my sexual orientation.

    8. I am never asked to speak for everyone who is heterosexual.

    9. I can be sure that my classes will require curricular materials that testify to the existence of people with my sexual orientation.

    10. People don't ask why I made my choice of sexual orientation.

    11. People don't ask why I made my choice to be public about my sexual orientation.

    12. I do not have to fear revealing my sexual orientation to friends or family. It's assumed.

    13. My sexual orientation was never associated with a closet.

    14. People of my gender do not try to convince me to change my sexual orientation.

    15. I don't have to defend my heterosexuality.

    16. I can easily find a religious community that will not exclude me for being heterosexual.

    17. I can count on finding a therapist or doctor willing and able to talk about my sexuality.

    18. I am guaranteed to find sex education literature for couples with my sexual orientation.

    19. Because of my sexual orientation, I do not need to worry that people will harass me.

    20. I have no need to qualify my straight identity.

    21. My masculinity/femininity is not challenged because of my sexual orientation.

    22. I am not identified by my sexual orientation.

    23. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help my sexual orientation will not work against me.

    24. If my day, week, or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it has sexual orientation overtones.

    25. Whether I rent or I go to a movie theater, I can be sure I will not have trouble finding my sexual orientation represented.

    26. I am guaranteed to find people of my sexual orientation represented in the MIT curriculum, faculty, and administration.

    27. I can walk in public with my significant other and not have people double-take or stare.

    28. I can choose to not think politically about my sexual orientation.

    29. I do not have to worry about telling my roommate about my sexuality. It is assumed I am a heterosexual.

    30. I can remain oblivious of the language and culture of LGBT folk without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

    31. I can go for months without being called straight.

    32. I'm not grouped because of my sexual orientation.

    33. My individual behavior does not reflect on people who identity as heterosexual.

    34. In everyday conversation, the language my friends and I use generally assumes my sexual orientation. For example, sex inappropriately is referring to only heterosexual sex or family meaning heterosexual relationships with kids.

    35. People do not assume I am experienced in sex or that I even have it merely because of my sexual orientation.

    36. I can kiss a person of the opposite gender without being watched and stared at.

    37. Nobody calls me straight with maliciousness.

    38. People can use terms that describe my sexual orientation and mean positive things (i.e., "straight as an arrow", "standing up straight" or "straightened out") instead of demeaning terms (i.e, "that's gay" or being "queer").

    39. I am not asked to think about why I am straight.

    40. I can be open about my sexual orientation without worrying about my job.

  • Xanthippe
    Xanthippe
    One thing that I've noticed: making Western anti-gay videos, saying homosexual acts are wrong, disapproving of gay marriage seems to cause more outrage amongst gay communities and heterosexual progressives than when extremists push gay people off tall buildings in the name of their religion.
    Why is this? It seems that Western gay people are of more worth than gay people from other areas around the globe. Are some elements of gay communities and progressives racist?

    Bollocks. That article you're talking about describing the gay person being thrown of a building is from Pink News. Surely showing the outrage of the gay communities LUHE.

    Frankly it was rather disingenuous of Cofty to agree with your comment and expand on it, talking about outrage porn, without mentioning to you that it was he who posted that link to Pink News to start with.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    That article you're talking about describing the gay person being thrown of a building is from Pink News. Surely showing the outrage of the gay communities LUHE - no.

    Some Western progressive Media (but not The Guardian) reported it, but showed little outrage when you consider the terribleness of the crime (throwing a gay person from a tall building and stoning them when he hits the ground). I read the Pink News article. Outrage in the article at this terrible killing was thin on the ground.

    It still puzzles me that outrage is reserved for Western people disagreeing with gay marriage ...

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    According to the Pew survey 45% of Muslims in the US think homosexuality should be accepted, cempared with 16% of JWs and 36% of Evangelicals. And 42% of Muslims support gay marriage, compared with 14% of JWs and 28% of Evangelicals.

    http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/jehovahs-witness/#views-about-homosexuality

    So it seems JWs and Evangelcals are a bigger barrier to acceptance than Muslims, in the US at least.

    Given that this Christian/JW culture leads to thousands of suicides a year.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth

    The fixation of a few on Islamic extremists who throw people from buildings (how many?) in the Middle East rather than our own culture is pretty bizarre. Unless it's more about demonising a religious group than about changing attitudes to homosexuality.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    The fixation of a few on Islamic extremists who throw people from buildings (how many?) in the Middle East is pretty bizarre - why is it bizarre? Let's just talk it through. In some places in the world today, gay men are bound and blindfolded, led up flights of stairs to the top of a tall building and then pushed off, for the crime of being gay. When they hit the ground a retarded mob pelts them with rocks. What's wrong with 'fixating' on this, instead of 'fixating' on disapproval of gay marriage and other trifles?

    Why do you ask 'how many?' Does that even matter?

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000

    According to the Pew survey 45% of Muslims in the US think homosexuality should be accepted, cempared with 16% of JWs and 36% of Evangelicals. And 42% of Muslims support gay marriage, compared with 14% of JWs and 28% of Evangelicals.


    Muslims by which standards? JWs by which standards? This is the issue with some of these survey numbers, these folks are not a credible part of the group they claim to be in.

    This is almost like me saying that I'm a moderate JW, i don't believe in shunning and i don't believe in the prohibition of blood transfusions. Oh and that I also celebrate birthdays. What kind of a JW am I? Well i'm not...

    Muslims that think gay marriage is acceptable have just created their own religion. They might as well call it something different, but it certainly isn't Islam.

  • Xanthippe
    Xanthippe
    I read the Pink News article. Outrage in the article at this terrible killing was thin on the ground.

    Well I read it and the facts were clearly published for the world to see on this site for LGBTQ+ people to read and the comments I saw were, evil, cruel, murderers, rest in peace brother. Plus some trolling and arguing of course, no surprises there. Not sure what you think you read, are you really a uni student?

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Well I read it and the facts were clearly published for the world to see on this site for LGBTQ+ people to read and the comments I saw were, evil, cruel, murderers, rest in peace brother - there was outrage expressed in the comments below the article, but no outrage in the article itself. What happened was accurately if clinically described, with no condemnation from Pink News journalists.

    are you really a uni student? - not any more but I did graduate with First Class Honours.

  • Xanthippe
    Xanthippe
    but no outrage in the article itself. What happened was accurately if clinically described

    I suppose if they had shown outrage it would have become outrage porn?


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