How Do You View Men , Women and Children?? (page 3)

minimus

Blueblades, I'm getting more shovels out to uncover the rotteness of the Watchtower. Seriously, I appreciate your comments. I do hope that I am helping some people see the dishonesty of the Watchtower organization and the fact that they are not the "truth". That would bring me great joy!

moonwillow

I look at each person as an individual not as groups.

mouthy

Moon willow ... I dont think in the WT you can look at individuals like you say... We are under MIND CONTROL- we are told HOW to judge each other-if you were as blinded as me. I saw some awful things happen - ( against the WT) which I NOW know the people were right) But because I couldnt think for myself. ( GOD DID IT FOR ME!!!!! NOT!!!! ) i couldnt look at the individual...JMHO

moonwillow

Guess I misunderstood the thread then I thought it was asking "How Do You View Men , Women and Children??" I understood it to mean how I view them now. Sorry.

minimus

"How do you view" them from your perspective--- having been a Witness, your background and today's society.

jgnat

I understood what you meant, moonwillow!

My son and I used to have long arguments about the rights of children. Logically, he could see no reason why children were not provided the same rights as adults, including; deciding where to live, obtaining a driver's license, chosing whether to go to school or not, etc. etc. He regarded parental control to be no better than imprisonment. My argument was that children require protection until they are old enough to make their own decisions. I used the example of a toddler who wished to explore the middle of the road. Would my son intervene?

A few weeks later, we were out with friends who had a toddler. We were loading up the car. I smiled when I caught my son blocking the toddler from the road by discreetly heading the munchkin "off at the pass". Ha! Caught him! The arguments died shortly after that.

Ever watch old sitcoms (60's), how they portray women? One memorable episode of B & W Batman and Robin, a villain replaces women in all positions of authority. The chaos! Criminals excape when policewomen stop for a broken nail. To think I swallowed that stuff whole. I still catch myself. Why do I assume that the male bank teller is a manager in training? That the woman in the white lab coat is the hygenist, not the dentist?

asleif_dufansdottir

But doesn't someone (the man) have to make the "final decision"? Remember, you can only have ONE driver at the wheel. If 2 attempt to take over, you'll never get anywhere.....

It's cultural bias to assume that somebody has to make the final decision. In some cultures (usually small-scale tribal ones), decision is by consensus...things get talked out until a decision is reached that everyone can live with (of course it it possible that someone might try to manipulate the discussion, but among groups who are used to decisions made this way that's harder to do). Those of you who live in Canada, don't you guys have a new province made up of mostly First Nations people where the provincial government (at least part of it) is by consensus? I remember talking about that in class last year...

Most of our married life (JW time excepted), the person who was more knowledgeable on the particular subject or who cared more about it made the decision. He's never got to decide hardly anything about furnishings and decor in 21 years (he doesn't care that much). I remember hearing one elder's wife say, wistsfully, "It's my husband's house, I just clean it." I thought then and think now that's incredibly sad.

We're both such strong-willed people, that often it comes down to "I'm going to do what I want and you can just live with it." It's not as bad as it sounds. It's certainly better than only HIM saying we both have to do what he wants and I have to just live with it.

moonwillow

jgnat, I think it's the way society programs us starting the moment we come into this world and as a child we are always trying to please everyone, over time we just start to believe that's the way it is because everyone says so! Sad isn't it?

mouthy

Sorry moonwillow I was wrong THAT was the question NOW -I misread it as to While I was a JW

bisous

I find my experiences as a JW have not only made me mistrustful of men, but bordering on hostile in many instances....assuming they are trying to control or boss me.

I think this is from years of elders, male JWs, crazy doctrine which oppressed women and children.

I also think being an exJW parent made me a little more lax so as to try and compensate with my kids for all the wrongs done to me.

Lastly, it has made me less tolerant of women who are not fiercely strong minded and independent, because I (somewhat incorrectly) believe this puts women at risk of being controlled or wrongly submissive.

How Do You View Men , Women and Children??

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