What more do they need to see?

by stuckinarut2 32 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  WTWizard

  Funny thing, Satan is providing far more, and better quality, spiritual food than joke-hova. I saw some of Satan's videos--they are far more enlightening, to the point of turning whole belief systems upside down. They are very diverse--ranging from how history was tampered with, to science being held back, to astrology, to how our financial markets are being fiddled with to the point where they are going to crash without final warning. No signs of slowing down there. Even apostate videos.

  As for joke-hova, that thing is slowing down. I got the privilege of watching an apostate video (Fateful Slave) on YouTube, and seeing how lame the jokehovian videos are. In the video, parts of the boasting sessions are video'd, and commentary added. The jokehovian videos are lame, looking more like shadow puppets than anything else.

  Not to mention, the worm-worm-worm jw-dot-org site is LAME. They have the same few videos, the same few songs, the same few dramas, and the rags coming out when due. I can go through the whole worm-worm-worm jw-dot-org site in a relatively short time, and not even have it updated for a long time save for the new rags.
  
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  Simon

  One of my favorite things to ask a JW is "what would the WTS have to do to convince you that it isn't the truth?"

  I think deep down, if someone is saying "there is nothing they could do", then they know they are in a cult.

  But there are a significant number who will believe in the WTS no matter what. Heck, even if they stood up and admitted "we made it all up" they would still find a way to rationalize it away as some weakness or madness by those people and just put new people in their place.

  People believe because they want to believe and no facts will change that.
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  OnTheWayOut

  There's always a way to spin it. How about this?---

  Jehovah's organization is faithful, but so many members are not as spiritual as they should be and are not seeking the kingdom first, yet Jehovah's organization is doing awesome with the reduced amount these members are contributing.

  That and Satan is really putting the pressure on now, so he knows how the end is so so so so imminent. Just hang on a few more years at the most and don't let these things discourage you. That's what Satan wants.
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  problemaddict 2

  The comments by Heard are the spin. Most JW's won't even blink. Most of us wouldn't have at one time.

  Its that they are being practical, and because the growth is so outstanding and huge (MASSIVE!), the funds donated just can't keep pace with the growth! But you guys have been doing great with the money! Keep it up!

  So thats it. Nothing interesting to most JW's. Until people get their particular button pushed and allow themselves to look closer, they will remain controlled.

  For me it was blood. For my wife, disfellowshipping. For a buddy of mine it was 1914. For many others its being treated unfairly or seeing corruption that allows them to consider the possibility the religion isn't special.

  Thats how people leave. It has to be something meaningful to THEM. The branch itself has plenty for everyone to work with to get out, but the narrative and control is strong.

  I will say though, when someone gets their button pushed.......it usually leads to a pretty fast wake up.
  
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  EmptyInside

  I think some,like my mother,live in a bubble. These types,including her,only accept what she is told in the Watchtower. And quickly disregards any information from other sources as apostate. She also accepts however they spin things She still believes the org is progressing,and not losing any money.

  When she does have times of cognitive dissonance,she works quickly to put it out of her mind. She goes on about she still believes in the basic teachings and is holding out for that paradise. So,people see what they want to see. It's sort of like someone who is married,and their spouse is cheating on them. Everyone else knows about it,but the person doesn't want to face the truth,so they ignore all the warning signs.
  
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  Oubliette

  Guess Jah is only blessing them 25% of what he used to do.

  Actually, it's down to 12.5% of what it was in the '80s and '90s.
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  HappyHappyHappy1914

  I feel like the whole belief structure is built around minimizing your own opinion and to not trust it. When something is off or strange, everyone does a collective "I don't understand, but Jehovahs is taking care of it" approach that after awhile it becomes normal. And despite all the videos, so much is done in secret. I wouldn't be surprised if most peoples reactions to the SPs being removed is...."I'm sure there planning something big they aren't telling us yet. I'm so excited!!!"
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  EmptyInside

  I've even heard some say,maybe all the crazy stuff they say,is to test the loyalty of the Witnesses. So,it's just a test,it is only a test,lol.
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  cognac

  They are no longer having the big conventions???? You mean the district conventions they have every summer???
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  LongHairGal

  I think far too many Witnesses would have to be mistreated or suffer a gross injustice on a personal level or have it happen to a close family member to even consider leaving the religion.

  Faulty doctrine is secondary, I think.