comment on Metaron's thread on JW's Soviet Disease

by Mulan 15 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    We sent the above thread to a friend of ours, who is a former Bethelite, former elder, who exited the JW's about the same time we did. He is the one who actually got Dave to start investigating things. This is part of his reply. It's a bit long, but good reading. He doesn't post here, but maybe someday.

    Original thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/63064/1.ashx

    < astute observations. I think we've all recognized that the organization
    has been morphing for several years. To that fellow's list, I'll add
    these:

    Taking on a definite monastic flavoring, we read that at Bethel Homes,
    Bethelites are designated "ministers, all part of a special religious
    order" (1993 Yearbook, p. 18), and they serve "under a legal vow of
    poverty." (Watchtower, 12-15-93, p. 13, par. 12) As if completely
    forgetting that true worship is a way of life, the daily text discussion
    at Bethel is now referred to as "morning worship." (Watchtower, 6-15-94,
    p. 28) And in a 1999 Watchtower we see a photo taken in Castro's Cuba
    with a caption that reads: "Governing Body members sign gift Bibles for
    public officials." (5-15-99, p. 8) We certainly didn't see these features
    even twenty years ago, did we?

    The way I see it, the organization will either become a mainline sect or
    it will eventually peter out completely. With the demise of the "this
    generation" carrot-on-a-stick, the Witnesses have pretty much lost their
    apocalyptic profile and hence, any real sense of supposed "urgency." From
    a sociological standpoint (based on what I've read), when an "end-time"
    movement loses its apocalyptic profile by distancing itself from
    predictions linked to a date, then it sets itself up to become a mainline
    religion.

    However, I tend to think the organization will eventually disappear after
    years of decline--but whether in our lifetime or not, I obviously don't
    know. Time will tell. The reason I think it will come to nothing is that
    (unlike Mormons and Seventh-day Adventists) the WT Society hasn't begun
    focusing on something concrete and tangible like providing hospitals
    and/or universities, and thus shifting it's reason-for-being to something
    practical and productive. Rather, it continues to make the "preaching
    work" (i.e. sharing the organizational message) the be-all and end-all.
    As such it is destined to continue to lose whatever "evangelistic
    enthusiasm" that once existed, only to become an eccentric little group
    that highlights a "paradise earth," and subscribes to a peculiar brand of
    "dos" and "don'ts."

    The year 2014 is little more than 10 years away. I've periodically
    pondered on whether or not those in WT leadership haven't been giving
    some thought to possibly trying to mitigate the disillusioning effects of
    a 100-year anniversary of the supposed end of the "Gentile Times." And
    recently I've learned that there are inklings of the organization feebly
    attempting to restore a "carrot" to its "stick" and thus regain its
    "apocalyptic profile."

    I haven't seen it, but apparently a main article in the December 15,
    Watchtower, draws a parallel between the conditions in Noah's day prior
    to the Flood and the conditions on earth since 1914. Supposedly, it then
    draws attention to God's statement to Noah (Genesis 6: 3) that he would
    bring destruction within 120 years and goes on to point out that '90
    years have now passed since 1914.' Evidently there's no precise assertion
    being made that this means that only 30 years remain before "the
    end"-however, it certainly seems to lay the groundwork for unbridled
    speculation among "the friends." (Imagine that! Tempting the brothers to
    do what they counsel them not to! This speech is shocking!) If this is as
    I've heard it is, then "blind guides" and "blind followers"
    notwithstanding, there seems to be a type of perverse cruelty that
    permits some people to toy with the hopes and lives of others. But again,
    I've not read this firsthand. Have you heard anything about this article?
    Has anyone posted anything like what I describe? Let me know.
    I like what the fellow online said about the Witness organization
    trending toward what in politics is called the "Soviet Disease." To my
    way of thinking this only goes to bolster the idea that the organization
    will eventually come to nothing. Didn't the Soviet Union finally break
    apart and disappear?

    I recently saw the 2004 Yearbook. I read a few paragraphs from the
    opening letter from the Governing Body. Reading it actually made me
    somewhat sick to my stomach. It made me realize just how much I've
    distanced myself from the organizational jargon and how it acts to
    channel your thinking and hem you in emotionally. I do believe it's
    gotten worse in the last 10 or 15 years relative to "mind control"
    aspects. At least 25 to 35 years ago (and back) there did seem to be some
    well-reasoned articles with more rational appeal. Now it's largely just
    mind-numbing pabulum and drivel. (No wonder some feel the need to keep
    things interesting by staking out the homes of "apostates" and taking
    surveillance photos of their driveways!)

    That fellow online noted how the "organization has sunk into a stunning
    dependency." Curiously, this nicely coincides with a self-indicting quote
    (unseen of course), made in The Watchtower a few years back when the
    words "sect" and "cult" were discussed:
    "A 'sect' has been defined as 'a group adhering to a distinctive doctrine
    or to a leader.' Similarly, those belonging to a 'cult' have 'great
    devotion to a person, idea, or thing.' Actually the members of any
    religious group who strongly adhere to human leaders and their ideas are
    in danger of becoming slaves to men. A strong leader-oriented
    relationship can lead to an unhealthy emotional and spiritual dependency.
    The danger may be compounded when a person is reared in a sectarian
    atmosphere from childhood."-Watchtower, 3-15-98, pp. 10,11.
    Hello! If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a
    duck-what do you suppose you've got on your hands? I guess it's a case of
    seeing others as fat and hypercritical but seeing oneself as pleasantly
    plump and rather discerning. Go figure. [Thankfully, we have Etymology,
    which is a branch of linguistics that can explain what no Anglo-Saxon of
    a thousand years ago could ever have dreamed: How his word for diarrhea
    would some day outperform a wild card by coming to mean just about
    anything a person wants it to; as in "No ----!" or "---- happens!" or
    "---- yes!" or "---- no!" or "---- faced," or that all-time stellar one:
    "the whole ----and kaboodle!" Basically, ---- means pretty much anything
    but excrement these days. While a time-traveling Anglo-Saxon might be
    sorely perplexed, he'd find himself a kindred spirit with those told:
    "So, brothers 'this generation' can mean just about anything, now can't
    it?"]

    Reading your friend's posting made me revisit a short essay I wrote
    almost 10 years ago. In it I made use of a quote from the April 8, 1993
    Awake! Given recent problematic developments within the organization,
    it's ironic that this quote is taken from a news item entitled, :"Victims
    of Pedophile Priests Speak Out." After referring to victims speaking out,
    Awake! (p. 31) said:
    "But NCR (National Catholic Reporter) notes that speakers sounded another
    theme repeatedly throughout the conference: 'The first abuse is sexual;
    the second and more painful, is psychological.' This second abuse occurs
    when the church refuses to listen to victims of abuse, fails to take
    their accusations seriously, and moves only to protect the offending
    priests. 'Fairly or unfairly,' NCR reports, 'they portrayed Catholic
    clergy as belonging to an unhealthy and misguided group more bent on
    preserving privilege and power than in serving lay needs.' Several
    speakers made ominous comparisons to the Reformation, which split the
    church wide open in the 16th century. According to Richard Sipe, a former
    priest turned psychotherapist and expert on sexual abuse by Catholic
    clergy, all this institutional denial reveals 'a deep, desperate and
    knowing personal involvement in the problem.' He added: 'The church knows
    and has known for a long time a great deal about the sexual activity of
    its priests. It has looked the other way, tolerated, covered up and
    simply lied about the broad spectrum of sexual activity of its priests.'"
    Of course, when I used this quote I had no way of anticipating the
    problems the WT Society itself was to have with this very same problem.
    At the time I took and applied what was said in a different way. Forgive
    me for quoting myself:

    "The ghastly nature of the above may seem unrelated, yet, at least
    consider these similarities: Does not a sort of psychological abuse take
    place when the organization refuses to acknowledge damage done by
    erroneous presentations [e.g. the 1975 buildup] and fails to take
    individual's concerns and questions seriously, regarding its claims,
    mistakes, and inconsistencies? and only moves to protect its image by
    repeating its claims, and upholding its positions, in the printed page?
    Is it not possible that a motive for all this might be that the
    powers-that-be, made up of a somewhat insulated and misguided (albeit
    well-intended) group, are more bent on preserving the status quo and all
    that goes with it, than in actually addressing individual concerns? Is it
    a case of 'institutional denial' revealing 'a deep, desperate and knowing
    personal involvement in the problem'?"

    That fellow online whom you cite asks: "Just how childishly dependent can
    Witnesses become?" Answer: When you're dealing with the 'psychologically
    abused', then apparently they can become pretty dependent.
    He also asks: "How deep can this cajoling, threatening, nagging, and
    pleading amidst platitudes get?" Answer: When the cajolers, threateners,
    naggers, pleaders and platitude-spouters are "an unhealthy and misguided
    group more bent on preserving privilege and power than in serving lay
    needs', then apparently it can get pretty deep. And since what is
    involved is "institutional denial" which "reveals 'a deep, desperate and
    knowing personal involvement in the problem,' then we're talking as deep
    as the deep blue sea.

    If you hope for anything resembling truth, once the court of popular
    opinion is in session, position yourself somewhere between the man with
    the tar bucket and the fellow with the whitewash brush.
    Regards, XXXXX>>

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    Wow.

    Fascinating article (email) Mulan. Thanks for posting it.

    I was most surprised by his belief that the Witnesses will vanish. I've never thought this possible but his reasoning is historically sound.

    I wish I had something intelligent to contribute, but I don't, so I'll let the grown ups respond.

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    Not a grown up - but I would like to read more of what this fellow has written. Is it posted anywhere?

    CZAR

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    That surprised me too, Chris, that he thinks the JW's might vanish one day. He always used to believe they would become a mainstream religion. I think his thoughts also may be based on the fact that our old congregation has a whopping 23-25 meeting attendance, down from over 100 when we were there, just a few years ago.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    FYI

    Here is Metatron's excellent thread :

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/63064/1.ashx

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Very impressive set of threads, Metatrons and this one Mulan,

    You know, we need to resurrect both threads Monday, as Sunday seems to be a day of least activity on the board. It would be a shame for the majority to miss this.

    Its not really relative to the theme but I liked the April 8, 1993 Awake, quoting the National Catholic Reporter:

    the second and more painful, is psychological.' This second abuse occurs
    when the church refuses to listen to victims of abuse, fails to take
    their accusations seriously, and moves only to protect the offending
    priests.

    At least back in 1993 the WT could have taken an honest course in dealing with reports of molestation of their own.

    Perhaps their hypocritical coarse so similar to the Catholic Church is another example of how they will become just like those they criticize or disperse completely.

    Steve

  • Mulan
    Mulan
    Not a grown up - but I would like to read more of what this fellow has written. Is it posted anywhere?

    He has written a lot. I will check with him to see how he feels about sending some of it to you.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex
    At least back in 1993 the WT could have taken an honest course in dealing with reports of molestation of their own.

    Ah Steve, I wish I could agree with you. But I battled my elders and 3 COs in 1988 and 1989 over this very issue. It was this that directly led to my split with the Witnesses. When I saw that they were not interested in really addressing the issue, and rather more interested in obfuscating the issues, delaying the process and protecting the offender, I realized that I had been wrong for 18 years. This was not where the true God was.

    For that I am thankful to Jehovah's Witnesses. If they had not treated me so harshly I would have spent years more trying desperately to make it work. As it is, their cruelty was like cold water on my face. It shocked me into action and I left.

    Thank God.

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    My crystal ball is busted, I don't know what will happen to the WTBS. I do feel safe saying this: they will never be a mainstream religion as long as disfellowshipping is part of their culture. Everybody outside the Borg regards this as barbaric. And if they drop it they won't survive as they practice their religion now. How many people will give up normal human activities; college, Christmas, birthdays, blood transfusion, Saturday morning etc, if they aren't forced to?

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Very interesting analysis. To this day, the WT seems to have forfeited every opportunity it had to smooth its cultic image over into a mainstream "religion". If it goes on this way, it may indeed face a very sudden collapse (as was expected of "Babylon the Great", ironically). Wait (outside) and see!

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