Another School Shooting: The Gun Violence/Mental Illness Debate Continues

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  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    sure its happened before but the amount of deaths would have been assuring less

    Wrong again, why do you lie so much??? Maybe you shouldn't talk about something you clearly know nothing about

    I already mentioned Virginia Tech shooter had two handguns and one was just a freaking .22! and he killed 33 people

    33 > 17

    A terrorist in france killed more people with a vehicle than the Vegas shooter and the Parkland shooter combined btw

    58 + 17 = 75 < 86

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Oh brother here we go again taking information from pro-gun web sites

    You guys cant think for yourselves just like when you were a JWS ...... good grief

    Well look at unbiased report of what recently happened in Australia ...

    These four countries have nearly eliminated gun deaths - here's what the US can learn











    The Independent US Picture: Scott Olson/Getty Images

    On Wednesday, a gunman opened fire at a Florida high school, leaving 17 people dead and more than a dozen others injured.

    In November, a gunman went on a shooting spree at the Rancho Tehama reserve in Northern California, killing four people and injuring three children.

    A week before that, a man in Sutherland Springs, Texas, stormed a church with a semiautomatic rifle, killing 26 people and injuring 20.

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    A month before that, a gunman in a room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel in Las Vegas shot at concertgoers below, killing 59 people and injuring more than 500.

    As shootings like these seem to escalate in the US, so do questions about gun control. Americans who fear their town or city could be the site of the next attack wonder what strategies if any the US could take to reduce rates of gun violence.

    No country is a perfect analog of the US, but several have taken steps that worked for them — here are their insights.

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    Australia paid citizens to sell their guns to the government.

    Australia gun protest(Reuters / David Gray)

    A spate of violence in the 1980s and '90s that culminated in a 1996 shooting that left 35 dead led Australian Prime Minister John Howard to convene an assembly to devise gun-control strategies.

    The group landed on a massive buyback program, costing hundreds of millions of dollars offset by a one-time tax increase, that bought and destroyed more than 600,000 automatic and semiautomatic weapons and pump-action shotguns.

    Over the next few years, gun-death totals were cut nearly in half. Firearm suicides dropped to 0.8 per 100,000 people in 2006 from 2.2 in 1995, while firearm homicides dropped to 0.15 per 100,000 people in 2006 from 0.37 in 1995.

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    In 2014 you were six times more likely to be murdered with a knife than you were with a rifle. Knives were the weapon of choice in 1,567 murders in 2014, according to the FBI. It gets crazier. You were also nearly three times more likely to be killed by someone’s fists or feet than you were to be murdered with a rifle. In 2014, 660 people were murdered with what the FBI calls “personal weapons”–hands, fists, feet–compared to 248 with rifles.

    In the United States, knives are more deadly than rifles. So are fists. And feet. This isn't an opinion. It is an incontrovertible fact.

    And it’s a fact that highlights a point that far too many people refuse to acknowledge: the human desire to kill is far more deadly than any weapon.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Virginia Tech shooter had two handguns

    Yes big f..ing deal Einstein

    Now what other gun was used in most of the other recent attacks ?

    I think we've got some trolling Forest Gumps here.

    Just curious but is this picture of one of you guys ?


  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    Oh brother here we go again taking information from pro-gun web sites
    You guys cant think for yourselves just like when you were a JWS ...... good grief

    When did the DOJ become "muh progun websites"

    You sound like the JW,

    "hey I think there is something wrong with this religion..."

    "oh did you read that on apostate sites!!"

    None of the crap you copied an pasted fink proves you didn't state a nonfact. America and other countries gun ownership increases, and crime don't follow. YOU SAID

    when you introduce a high volume of guns into the hands of the general population that there will be an increase of those guns used in acts of violence,
  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    Yes big f..ing deal Einstein
    Now what other gun was used in most of the other recent attacks ?
    I think we've got some trolling Forest Gumps here.
    Just curious but is this picture of one of you guys ?

    Too many facts for you fink?

    Too much logic?

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    Now what other gun was used in most of the other recent attacks ?

    A terrorist in france killed more people with a vehicle than the Vegas shooter and the Parkland shooter combined btw

    58 + 17 = 75 < 86

    The thing that makes an AR15 so significantly different from another rifle, is cosmetic. Look at the previous AWB we had in this country. It did nothing. It was pointless, and it banned pointless things. The 1994 assault weapons law banned semi-automatic rifles only if they had any two of the following five features in addition to a

    • detachable magazine:
    • a collapsible stock,
    • a pistol grip,
    • a bayonet mount
    • a flash suppressor,
    • or a grenade launcher.

    once again

    too many people refuse to acknowledge: the human desire to kill is far more deadly than any weapon.

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    Americans own around 15 million AR-15-style rifles. These guns are almost never used to commit violent crimes. According to the FBI, rifles of all kinds accounted for just 3 percent of firearm homicides in 2016, while handguns accounted for 65 percent. Contrary to what you may have heard, handguns are also by far the most common choice for mass shooters. A Mother Jones review of mass shootings from 1982 through 2012 found that 66 percent of the weapons were handguns, while just 14 percent would qualify as "assault weapons" under the definition used in a 2013 bill sponsored by Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

    The fact that the perpetrators of the deadliest mass shootings tend to favor "assault weapons" does not mean that choice makes the attacks deadlier than they otherwise would be. I know you like to say that like you somehow magically know, but you don't.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    when you introduce a high volume of guns into the hands of the general population that there will be an increase of those guns used in acts of violence,

    OK lets reword that statement ...

    When you introduce a high volume of guns in the hands of a given population, there will be a accordingly proportionate amount of those guns used in random acts violence within that population.

    Do the opposite and take away the amount of guns as Australia recently did and you have a lesser amount by numbers of guns deaths and suicides too.

    What potentially has a higher uselessness in killing people ? a single knife or a rapid fire semi-automatic assault rifles ?

    You guys are pulling information from web sites financially connected to the NRA and gun owner stores and you dont realize your getting twisted and corruptly biased facts.

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    suicides too.

    Suicides for sure, most gun deaths are suicides, no denying that whatsoever.

    What potentially has a higher uselessness in killing people ? a single knife or a rapid fire semi-automatic assault rifles

    The question is pointless. I don't think this kid would have been satisfied with a knife. He is a mass murderer. He likely would have found another way or! Got a gun ILLEGALLY, yes people, that can happen, most the murders in a blood-soaked high gun control place like Chicago are committed with illegal guns owned by gang members and other criminals who would never buy one legally in the first place. Thats reality, not fantasy land of "which is worse, knife or gun" that's ridiculous oversimplification.

    Lets talk Paddock again, the vegas shooter, he had an insane arsenal, 47 guns in his room. he shot something like 1100 rounds, wounding scores of people, and killing 58, it was insane over the top display of firepower, but, 1 bus in France kills 86 people...

    The human desire to kill is far more deadly than any weapon

    You guys are pulling information from web sites financially connected to the NRA and gun owner stores and you dont realize your getting twisted and corruptly biased facts

    Whatever you got to tell yourself, murder rates and gun statistics are not made up. Facts are facts.



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