Another School Shooting: The Gun Violence/Mental Illness Debate Continues

by jp1692 105 Replies latest jw experiences

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  freemindfade

  You guys are pulling information from web sites financially connected to the NRA and gun owner stores and you dont realize your getting twisted and corruptly biased facts

  Ok jackass, here is one from the LA Times, not NRA but leftists propaganda rag. Better?

  http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-winkler-folly-of-assault-weapon-ban-20151211-story.html

  Little wonder then that a 2004 study commissioned by the Department of Justice found that the federal ban didn't lead to any decrease in gun crime or gun deaths. For starters, rifles, assault or otherwise, are rarely used in gun crime. Notwithstanding the two rifles used in San Bernardino (and a few other memorable mass killings), rifles account for only about 3% of criminal gun deaths. Gun crime in the United States, including most mass shootings, is overwhelmingly handgun crime.

  There are approaches to gun control, such as universal background checks and cracking down on rogue gun dealers, that can reduce the daily death toll from guns. It may seem like a victory for the forces of good to ban assault weapons, but such laws aren't the answer. Assault weapon bans are bad policy and bad politics.
  
  
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  MeanMrMustard

  @freemindfade:

  Probably the only one looking in retrospect that had no clear signs was this Stephen Paddock oddity.

  Paddock didn’t fit the normal profile. Did anyone (like the FBI) ever come up with an explanation for how he got his money? I don’t buy that he got rich as a “professional gambler”. That entire story fell away a lot faster than the other psycho mass shootings.
  
  
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  Finkelstein

  I dont care about a single individual's expressive opinion

  This idiot probably thinks like you that taking assault rifles out the possession of the population isn't going to lower the carnage by individualized massacres.

  I'm more concerned about facts based in reality, maybe you should too.
  
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  MeanMrMustard

  @Fink - wha do you mean by “assault rifle”?

  Also, by what process are they removed from the population?

  (See my post on page 2 regarding definitions - unless you don’t actually want to make any progress, in which case, continue the ambiguous word salad bullshit)
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  Cold Steel

  MeanMrMustard » These debates go off the rails because of lack of clear meaning. If by “gun control” you mean “keeping guns out of the hands of people who would like to shoot up schools, movie theatres, etc.”, then everyone is on board. Period. Everyone wants this.

  Yes, but how does one keep guns out of the wrong hands without taking them out of the right hands? Whenever something like this happens, people scream GUN CONTROL without giving any workable solutions. The government needs to register guns before they confiscate them, so any proposals that would implement registration is a non-starter by gun owners.

  If we take away AR-15s, bad guys will use Ruger Mini-14s. Take away those and they'll use something else. These things don't stop until the guns are gone.

  In the 1960s, guns were plentiful. Even Sears had them. And anyone could buy them if they were old enough. But school shootings were unheard of. Crime was low and violence was unheard of if one stayed out of the wrong areas.

  But things are different now. We've become angry, resentful and distrustful as a nation. Our leaders are dishonest, conniving worms and they perhaps they always were. As we've become polarized no one wants to give. Those in the U.S. who voted for Hillary felt they were entitled to victory, and they took to the streets when she lost.

  It's just the way things are now.
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  freemindfade

  The statistics aren't his opinion brainiac, still just cold hard facts no matter how much you throw a fit about it.

  This idiot probably thinks like you that taking assault rifles out the possession of the population isn't going to lower the carnage by individualized massacres.

  I would never say something so absolute, let me ask you, do you have data to back that up? that taking assault rifles out of the pop will lower carnage? No, you don't because there isn't any. If anything there is more to the contrary that it's inconclusive. FACT: Gun crime was already declining BEFORE the last AWB, it declined DURING, and AFTER it ended and people bought millions of these scary looking things. Amazing how logic works isn't it?

  This guys opinion is pretty sound, he is implying halfwits like yourself who squeal "MUH GUN CONTROL" don't help to change anything, you don't add anything meaningful, just gridlock discussion so you can virtue flag. This guy was even denouncing the NRA but you probably didn't actually read it did you.
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  freemindfade

  I'm more concerned about facts based in reality, maybe you should too.

  You've have time and time again proved the complete and utter opposite.
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  OrphanCrow

  Finkel: Finkel, you shouldn't own a gun
  Or a big truck, for that matter

  
  I think OrphanCrow you should take a course in Ethics, it might help you understand human social behavior and what adhering virtues are beneficial toward humanity.

  Finkel, my statement had nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with plain common sense. Angry people are dangerous and shouldn't own firearms

  As far as understanding human behavior, I do understand that people who have unresolved anger are the most likely to act out violently. Either towards themselves or others and commonly to both. Violence arises from anger.

  And I also understand that anger is just a symptom. It is a symptom of the most basic and primal human emotion that there is - fear
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  freemindfade

  This is the type of thing nonthinkers like fink fail to understand during their virtue signaling

  If we focus on mass shootings as a means of understanding how to reduce the number of people killed by guns in America, we’re likely to implement laws that don’t do what we want them to do — and miss opportunities to make changes that really work. Gun violence isn’t one problem, it’s many. And it probably won’t have a single solution, either.
  
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  Finkelstein

  No, you don't because there isn't any

  So you need data to back something that is so easy to contemplate and rationally understand..

  Hint = put the drugs down, stop cruising pro gun sites with all of its biased up information and rationalize what your thinking and saying.

  You can do your own thinking now , your not in a mind controlling cult anymore.

  Just to reiterate ... why did the Vegas shooter choose his AR-15 with a Bumpstock attached than the other guns he owned ?