This is getting quite comical.
Show me the beef boys! I want to know, who translated the NWT??
Which Bible Translation is Currently the MOST Accurate in Your Opinion?
by Frannie Banannie 90 Replies latest watchtower bible
-
-
-
toreador
Is that the general consensus except for Scholar?
bofug writes""Nathan Knorr, Fred Franz, Albert Schroeder, George Gangas, and Milton Henschel were later identified as the men that created the text, which is used by no other sect."
-
scholar
toreador
Notice that the information written by bofug did not provide any sources or evidence for the NWT committe but merely used speculation, gossip and rumour. The source no doubt originated with Ray Franz' Cof C which itself provided no evidence.
scholar
-
herk
toreador,
"scholar" is a JW who gullibly believes the WT Society can do no wrong. He goes beyond that and insists on saying some things that the WTS has never claimed. He says, for example, that the members of the New World Translation Committee "cannot" be known. He is totally incapable of accepting the fact that the members of the JW Governing Body and some others at WT headquarters were privy to who served on the Committee. When I was at Bethel, questions came in from JWs and others regarding various renderings in the translation. Those questions were almost always passed on to the NWT Committee for answers. The WT writers themselves were free to consult the Committee for clarification of translation matters. As a member of the Governing Body and of the GB's Writing Committee, and being related to a member of the Committee, Ray Franz was aware of information about the Committee more than some others. Perhaps "scholar" has convinced himself that the NWT Committee can't be known, but persons not so misinformed and who are not mesmerized by the WT Society are able to accept the facts when they are presented.
herk
-
abbagail
I'm glad Frannie asked this question as I've wondered the same thing, so I appreciate reading all of the suggestions from everyone. Though you can't beat the gospel.com site for ease of use when comparing 15+ translations at a time! I wish it had even more of the translations mentioned by everyone. http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible
----------------
FWIW, for a 'cartoon' about the KJV of 1611, this came thru an email the other day:
Jan 5, 2004
Please view our powerful new flash cartoon: "1611 KJB: Understandest What Thou Readeth?" http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/KJB-1.swf
-----------------
And, lastly, has anyone ever visited this site... I saw it on TV the other day: http://www.personalpromisebible.com ? It's pretty cool... the site has "free examples" of your personal name inserted where pronouns are used in scriptures (Ephesians and 'In Christ' examples at the site; or you can order a hard-copy of the entire NT w/Psalms-Proverbs with your personal name in the verses). -
simwitness
One has to wonder why scholar and the WTBS is so incistent on them being "unknown and unknowable"...
They are not "unknowable"... there are records, there are witnesses (pardon the pun) that do know thier identities. Therefore they are knowable.
Just because the committee and the WTBS wish to remain anonymous, does not mean that it is possible for them to remain so. If someone "in the know" chooses to disclose the information, they can. It is up to the committee/WTBS to confirm or deny that information... If the WTBS were to deny it's validity, that is one thing. To the best of my knowledge, they have not... they prefer to call it "rumors and gossip", thereby attempting to discredit the source without dealing with the actual information.
We have a list of names from Ray Franz of the committee members. It is up to the individual to decide if the source of those names is trustworthy.
What would Ray have to gain by publishing a list of incorrect names? If they were wrong, his credibility suffers. If they are correct, what true difference does it make? After all, The WTBS, and scholar, maintain that the committee was "under the direction of the holy spirit" and would not dare to question the validity of the work itself.
The question then becomes what does the society have to gain from keeping the committee anonymous? Since there are questions as to the validity of certain passages in the NWT, only the translator(s) could properly speak to why they chose one form over another. Since the WTBS wants them to be "anonymous" they attempt to hide that it was men who did the translation and attempt to claim that it was the "holy spirit" or "god" that directed it, and claim that the translation is sound.
In the end, when one is presented with a claim that is not easily verifiable, it is the credibility of the person making the claim that is used to decide if the claim is valid. Since Ray has nothing to gain and everything to lose by making his claim, his is more credible than scholars "unknown and unknowable" claim. The WTBS has everything to lose and nothing to gain by revealing the committees names.
-
toreador
I appreciate your comments too Scholar.
Simwitness wrote,
Just because the committee and the WTBS wish to remain anonymous, does not mean that it is possible for them to remain so. If someone "in the know" chooses to disclose the information, they can. It is up to the committee/WTBS to confirm or deny that information... If the WTBS were to deny it's validity, that is one thing. To the best of my knowledge, they have not... they prefer to call it "rumors and gossip", thereby attempting to discredit the source without dealing with the actual information.
Yes, they attempt to evade the question and make it kind of mysterious.
We have a list of names from Ray Franz of the committee members. It is up to the individual to decide if the source of those names is trustworthy.
What would Ray have to gain by publishing a list of incorrect names? If they were wrong, his credibility suffers. If they are correct, what true difference does it make? After all, The WTBS, and scholar, maintain that the committee was "under the direction of the holy spirit" and would not dare to question the validity of the work itself.
Thats pretty much what I thought too. If he blatantly lied about this he would most assuredly lose respect.
The question then becomes what does the society have to gain from keeping the committee anonymous? Since there are questions as to the validity of certain passages in the NWT, only the translator(s) could properly speak to why they chose one form over another. Since the WTBS wants them to be "anonymous" they attempt to hide that it was men who did the translation and attempt to claim that it was the "holy spirit" or "god" that directed it, and claim that the translation is sound.
In the end, when one is presented with a claim that is not easily verifiable, it is the credibility of the person making the claim that is used to decide if the claim is valid. Since Ray has nothing to gain and everything to lose by making his claim, his is more credible than scholars "unknown and unknowable" claim. The WTBS has everything to lose and nothing to gain by revealing the committees names. http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/KJB-1.swf
I had always wondered why all the secretiveness about the writers. I know they always said they didnt want any fame or glory, but I think it was all about making it more believable that God was directing them in secret.
Also if we were to know any individual writers, I think the WTS thought it would be too easy to find personal fault with the individual members and it would lose all its mysteriousness and look more just like the musings of imperfect men.
Excellent post Simwitness.
Tor
-
scholar
herk
Your last post reveals nothing that makes sense but simply relys on speculation and gossip, If their identity was so freely known as you claim then tell me who was the Chairman of the Committee and where are the minutes for the committee, Why did not Raymond Franz cite these documents or at least make som reference?
scholar
-
herk
Excellent post Simwitness.
I agree!
To "scholar":
Not everybody is like you, especially Ray Franz. Even the WT Society recognized his scholarly ability. His is a name that can be trusted because his word is reliable. He doesn't put on a pretense such as you do by making phony claims of being a "scholar." Your pathetic efforts at deception are exposed by your poor spelling, poor grammar, poor definitions and especially your poor reasoning ability.
If their identity was so freely known as you claim then tell me who was the Chairman of the Committee and where are the minutes for the committee, Why did not Raymond Franz cite these documents or at least make som reference?
I know who the chairman was, but you've already indicated you wouldn't believe me if I told you. So what is your point in trying to find out from me? As for citing documents, how do you know I exist? Have you seen my birth certificate? Why do you continue to address me as a person if you have no documents to prove that I exist? The fact is I do exist and my identity can be known. There are persons in this forum who know my real name, even though they don't have any official documents on the matter. Just as surely the members of the NWT Committee once existed though they're all now dead and in their graves. Some of us know who they were. We know because we aren't so obstinate and contrary that we simply won't believe something if it's not in a signed and notarized document. We haven't chosen as you have to close our minds to facts that are easily available.
herk