How to tell my JW mum that I'm Pagan

by Sirona 27 Replies latest social relationships

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Hi

    After about 3 years of being part of a pagan religion, I'm finally realising that this is the time to tell my JW mother. The question is, how do I put it over to her? I'm Wiccan, and it is true that Wiccans refer to themselves as Witches. What do I say "Mum, I have something to tell you. I'm a witch." LOL - I can see her having a cardiac arrest there and then.

    Over the past 18 months attending a coven, including one meeting a month and 8 Sabbats (seasonal festivals) a year, I've tried very hard to keep my paganism a secret from her. She did guess that I had attended something "pagan" at one point and pretty much freaked out saying that it was childish and that I was "going backwards instead of forwards". Since then I've avoided the issue and I'm sure she has no real idea of what its all about.

    Now she is bugging me to go back to the "fold" of the JWs. Then the other day when she came to my house she asked me "who" I had on my fireplace (I have two candle holders, one of the Goddess and one of the God). The question was basically "who are those horrible faces on your fireplace?!" to which I answered, lamely, "I don't know".

    I've skirted around this for so long now I think I just need to tell her and then let her deal with it. My sister thinks she'll go crazy at first and then finally "accept" it.

    Any suggestions?

    Sirona

  • joannadandy
    joannadandy

    You: "Hey mom, we need to talk"

    Mom: "Ok"

    You: "Mom I'm a lesbian"

    Mom: "WHAT?!"

    You: "Just kidding! But I am a witch"

    Ok, seriously. I dunno, I have never thought of finding another religious practice, I imagine it'd be difficult no matter what...maybe if it came up in a religious dicussion you could talk about some of your new beliefs?

    Sorry I am not more help...hope everything goes ok for you, and you get the help you need here//

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    My intended post is below ... I inadvertantly clicked on 'submit' on this one before I wrote anything.

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Joanna,

    LOL @ Lesbian comment...

    Honestly, is there anything I can use to take the wind out of her JW sails when she starts to talk about it being demonic, etc.? I guess there isn't, and if I tell her I will have to walk out of her house if she starts to get nasty about it....

    Anyone else here have to tell their parents something that they knew the parent wouldn't approve of? How did you go about it?

    Sirona

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Sirona,

    First, you might ask yourself why you became involved in a coven and witchcraft. Because before your mum kicks you out of her house, she will want to know why ... and you need to tell her something more serius than "The Devil made me do it."

    I can relate to your fear, because I felt the same way when telling my Catholic family that I was becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I did all the dodging about the magazines laying around, and avoiding answering what I was doing riding around in a suit on Saturday mornings, etc.

    I am not knowlegable about withcraft, other than the steroetypical images the vast majority have of witches ... anymore than I am versed in the ways Druids or Free Masonry ... it all seems like strange stuff left over from the superstitous middle ages.

    Maybe if you wrote a post explaining the important meaning that witchcraft has in your life, and what you find in it that makes your life better, this may help you to find a way to talk to your mum, and who knows, maybe in her heart she too wants to be a witch.

  • mpatrick
    mpatrick

    Sirona,

    I finally told my mom that I am agnostic...she wasn't that surprised considering she thinks anything beyond the witnesses is because of a lack of faith in "Jehovah".

    I don't know a lot about Wiccan, but I have always heard that it is beautiful religion. Maybe instead of telling her that you are a witch or wiccan, you just speak of some of the newfound beliefs that are now a part of your life. Let her draw her own conclusions.

    Really, it all depends on your mom and how you think she will react in regards to shunning you or not...my mom will always talk to me no matter what. Yet, she will always hold the false hope that maybe someday "I will come to my senses". My brother was agnostic just a year ago and has since tried to commit suicide and returned home which meant he had to return to the meetings. Now, he is reinstated and preaching to me that "I need to get my life in order with Jehovah". Since my brother was "agnostic" and came back to the fold, obviously I will...that is what my mom thinks and she has even made that comment on more than one occassion...I give up trying to convince her otherwise...it is not worth the time or energy. As long as she continues to have a relationship with me, I will let her believe whatever she wants.

    I wish you the best in whatever you decide,

    Michelle

  • gypsywildone
    gypsywildone

    What's the matter with "My spirituality is mine, and it's personal, I don't go shoving it up everone's . . ."

    Seriously, why do you want to tell her the specifics, & what do you think the result will be? Are you at a point in life where if she shuns you, so be it?

  • Gretchen956
    Gretchen956

    Sirona, oh my... is being a lesbian worse? I have had to come out of both closets. Yes, my mom thinks I'm demonized. But the good news is, they think the whole world is in the power of satan anyway, so you are in good company. I simply point out that satan is a concoction of the bible and that I don't believe in satan.

    I'm not sure if you were born a witness or converted, but surely you went door to door. What did we tell people about becoming a scary witness? We downplayed the differences and played up what was similar, and eased them into the big scary doctrinal issues. So my point is, don't hit her with, "mom, I'm a witch." Tell her little things first, ease her into it, don't start with the big scary stereotypical things.

    Paganism is so eclectic, and there are so many paths to the divine, mine looks slightly different than yours. But I usually start out by saying that I have an earth-based spirituality. If that brings up a further question I might say that I have a deep reverence for the earth and for nature, that my spirituality derives from that. That usually placates some people, and it could lead into discussions with your mom too which ease into the subject.

    Your mom will NEVER be cool with you being a pagan as long as she is a witness. That is the ULTIMATE bugaboo to the witnesses. The very word pagan is an expletive to them.

    People have such a vast misunderstanding about our religion, you tend to be underestimated when they find out, they think you have no morals when they find out, they think you are satanic when they find out, all these things are working against you, so you just have to combat them one by one. The wiccan rede, for example, "do as you will, an it harm none." Is a good example of a positive thing. Start with those things, emphasize those things.

    Coming out of the closet is difficult, but once you are out its very liberating. The broom closet isn't any easier than the "gay" closet. I wish you all the best in this regard.

    Gretchen

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    I'd say don't tell her. When it comes to her, keep your religious and personal life to yourself.

    What kind of religion is Pagan? I'm completely ignorant about it, and find myself dumbfounded at the thought that you, like so many others, change one form of slavery for another.

    Once I exit the JWs, that'll be it for me belonging to any other form of religious organizations.

    DY

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Amazing

    First, you might ask yourself why you became involved in a coven and witchcraft

    OK, as you suggested I will try to verbalise this in an effort to get things straight in my own mind before talking to her.

    Firstly, Wicca (I prefer not to say Witchcraft, because Wicca affects my everyday life and is a religion, whereas witchcraft is what witches do, whether they're wiccan or not). I've always had a deep interest in spiritual things from being a young child (I was JW only from age 12). After leaving JWs I investigated many religions including buddhism and polytheistic religions. Basically I wanted to see what (if anything) resonated with me. I read a lot of books on the subject and eventually this lead to coming across books on modern (neo) paganism and the various paths therein. It makes sense to me that God isn't purely male and I can accept that human beings personify God as many things - energy, the All, God, Goddess, Turtle, whatever. Without going into too much detail I found that neo-paganism and particularly wicca was a perfect fit for me spiritually. I can honestly say that as a JW I didn't truly open my eyes to the beauty of the world and the perspective of Wicca helped me to see its beauty.

    I am not knowlegable about withcraft, other than the steroetypical images the vast majority have of witches ... anymore than I am versed in the ways Druids or Free Masonry ... it all seems like strange stuff left over from the superstitous middle ages.

    MMM Some of it is. LOL. Mostly I see the philosophy of Wicca as going much further back than the middle ages. It is similar to buddhism in many ways and some ideas and practices can be found in ancient religion and philosophy. The books you see that suggest that you should plant certain plants by your door, or don't stir your tea anticlockwise, they are IMO not witchcraft at all and are a throwback from old superstitious practices. Remember though that Wicca itself is in fact a modern religion which claims to take its main ideas from ancient practices and philosophies. The coven of which I'm a member is actually what some call a British traditional coven because it was only founded in the '70's by a family who had a book of shadows passed down from the turn of the 20th century (noone knows how far back but certainly from at least 100 years ago). A member of the family decided to allow outsiders into the group when witchcraft came out into the open.

    Maybe if you wrote a post explaining the important meaning that witchcraft has in your life, and what you find in it that makes your life better,

    Oh, that is a big question, but a pertinent one. Wicca has changed my perspective almost 180 degrees away from JWism. No prostelytising, acceptance of other people and their faith, remembering that we all have divinity within us, viewing the world as beautiful and death as a gift and neccessary process....the list goes on. Many Wicca are humble enough to admit that they don't truly know (noone can) the exact essence of God(dess). Much of the religion is about personal development in both a physical and spiritual sense. Harming none - including oneself - is really our only "rule".

    The observance of moon phases and seasonal cycles may seem "superstitious" to some, but it actually facilitates a rounding of the personality when done properly. One is reminded of fundamental issues of human life, and through ritual is allowed to face them head on and appreciate and learn from them. Similarly ritual is an externalising of the psyche and emphasises our connection to everything and everyone else. A witches "circle" isn't just a silly idea that (s)he's created a sacred space....each aspect of it resonates with us at a very deep level. It'd take forever to explain that fully, however to give an idea I'm referring somewhat to the things Jung said about archetypes and the psyche.

    Oh...you mentioned the coven. I joined simply because I was ready to join a close group for the purposes of sharing the Sabbats with them and further having a circle of friends of like mind. Incidentally, I'm often amazed at how much they read and how knowledgeable they are - and when screening them at first (yes...I wasn't joining another controlling group! ) I was happy to see that they all seem "normal" and have happy families.

    OK....deep breath. I can't say all that to my JW mother. I can say 1. It makes me happy 2. It isn't manipulative in any way

    ....... argh.

    Sirona

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