Is the rank and file aware of the serious dilema the WTS is facing?

by fearnotruth22 33 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  fearnotruth22

  The rank and file fears "apostates" hence jws will not accpet any evidence or arguments from succh like ones. The mind set automatically rejects any charges against the WTS without examining facts obejectivle because the wts cannot be wrong.By definition Jws view the wts as God's agency, so it cannot be wrong and even if it is wrong, it is for a reason that God is allowing it and it is God's arrangement and not the business of the rank and file to judge for themselves on that but,to leave it in J's hand and in time it will be taken care of. In law that is called a CATCH ALL, which is sometimes the power that a judge is empowered with by the state to use his discretion and do whatever the hell he wants, pardon the phrase.

  It is true that the WTS has opoosers that distort facts and trump up charges in order to discredit the WTS, but false accustaions against theWTS do not camcel out real evidence that challenges the Wt and above and beyond WT teachings is the evidence that puts a differebnt spin on and shows another perspective of the Bible, and the concept of God affecting in peoples lives

  Hence the rank and files fear alls truth not coming throught the wt channel at the proper time rejecting any facts and leaving their thinking to the wts.

  Maybe it is bliss for the rank and file to live oblivious to the dilemas facing the WTS. BUt whether the evidence showing these dilemas come from vitriolic apostates or WT realization, such serious probelms that affect WT existence is real. But bother reaching out or sister hunting for a mate are so involved with wt mntality that they either dont care orthey have a certain mind set that prevets them from accpting evidence from sn objective ppint of view.

  I do know for a fact that some indiviuals can see through the facade but stay in the org. I also know that some dont know a thing, but is the rank and file becoming moe aware that things are not "jiving" or adding up. That there is a problem?
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  Gopher

  You correctly point out that the JW's have a blind faith in the organization. Elsewhere on this board it has been shown that the #1 belief of JW's is that their organization represents the Creator. Everything else spins off from that doctrine.

  Is the rank-and-file aware that something's just not right with their organization? When I was a JW I had occasional doubts about doctrine, and sometimes winced when I saw hypocrisy. But I suppressed those doubts. I think a lot of JW's are "resigned" to a life of quiet desperation within the organization. They're told they should be joyful, and when they aren't they feel it's their own fault. They're told that they should feel happy after meetings and service, and if they don't they blame themselves.

  It's hard to break out of that box.
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  fearnotruth22

  Goph I agree with your observation about the tactic of Jws being told to blame themselves for evrything that goes wrong with them, you are sharp, but that is based on the same tactic the Bible uses on blaming people for being human.Bible says that it is humanity's fault because they are sinners good for nothin meriting death
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  yxl1

  Check out this current thread for an example of R&F thinking:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/64976/1003329/post.ashx#1003329
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  stillajwexelder

  However, when the R&F see major television documentaries about Child Abuse etc -- it really does have an effect - -they all start to think --maybe, just maybe the WTBTS has been wrong and it opens up a little chink in the armor. So put the UN and Child Abuse thing together and any othe rscandal that breaks and little by little the R&F will satrt to think maybe, just maybe there is something not quite right in Brooklyn
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  RunningMan

  The JW religion is based on chronology - numerology actually. And, their chronology is slowly becoming untennable. 1914 was a long, long time ago. The remnant is not shrinking the way it should. Jebus has been sitting on his throne doing squat for nearly a century now. Minor wars have come and gone, but world conditions don't seem to be disintigrating.

  I think at a subconcious level, there are certain ones among the Witnesses who know that the organization missed the boat. I also think that on a concious level, more and more are figuring it out and leaving, like everyone who is here. Before long, the trickle may become a flood.
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  waiting

  Hey gopher - good point.

  I think a lot of JW's are "resigned" to a life of quiet desperation within the organization.

  They're told they should be joyful, and when they aren't they feel it's their own fault. They're told that they should feel happy after meetings and service, and if they don't they blame themselves.

  My in-laws are living their lives "in quiet desperation within the organization." Their mantra is "Well, the meetings are where I'm supposed to be. Nobody's going to push me out." And they're speaking of others within their congregation - not apostates.

  At some - personal - point, some people get tired of being always wrong, always not good enough, always not working hard enough, always worried that Satan's stalking them, always secretly worried that Jehovah will kill them and their children at Armageddon - for a personal fault they didn't work hard enough on "while there was time."

  Thank God, Demons, or natural selection - my family individually got tired enough to take the flack & leave.

  As for JW's leaving? Something will have to engage them emotionally strong enough to allow themselves to think or feel.....and acknowledge those personal mechanisms.

  Many JW's are beginning to acknowledge "there's something not right here......"
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  Nosferatu

  but is the rank and file becoming moe aware that things are not "jiving" or adding up. That there is a problem?

  It's most certainly looking this way. Even with my own mother who verified what I told her about the UN. She told me "Something doesn't seem quite right about it all". I'm sure that other JWs are thinking this as well.

  The WTS is trying to cover up the UN thing by only letting people know about it when they ask, but they haven't put anything in their stupid magazines about it. They're trying to keep the R&F in the dark about it, and the ones who notice this don't like it.
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  waiting

  Oh! I was talking with my 82 yr old mil yesterday about all the old, old, WT books she has.

  We both acknowledged that all people should know and remember their own history.

  We both acknowledged "many mistakes in those" & her Really Quick comments about the light getting brighter, learn by our mistakes, yada yada.

  And then I remembered something I had read on our forum within the last couple of weeks - an excellent response to the above "old light" idea.

  "But, yanno, old cranky woman (thinking that) - if Jesus came to the earth to choose his True Followers in 1914 - what made him choose Jehovah's Witnesses? What were the *truths* that Russell taught that were different from all the other religions? Aren't those truths in those old books?"

  No more comments from her. JW's are stuck on that one.....there are no teachings of Russell that they still hold to - but they can't admit it. lol - they can't hold to the truths that were supposedly true 10 years ago....and now "old light."

  I'm so glad to be outta of the JW cult!
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  garybuss

  
  
  Jesus needed a book printing business that's why he picked the Tower Publishing Company. He did look at a automobile manufacturing company but he didn't want cruise control and air conditioning to be seen as new light, besides it is easier to sell a book than a car so more people can be involved in the selling branch.
  
  The thing to remember is that he picked the publishing business as a kind of a project and he knew he needed to weed out false teachings, so teachings were not really that important to him. What he really liked was the printing corporation was led by an attorney and he hated government and the Catholic Church and he had proven faithful by cutting pages out of the Finished Mystery book so it could still be sold door to door. Jesus was looking for solid marketing strategy.
  
  Jesus really liked Rutherford because of the 7 District assemblies foretold in Revelation and he liked the way Rutherford could give a one hour talk while drunk on his ass on Canadian booze and the way Rutherford could stage a riot to get newspaper coverage and court cases to try. Jesus hates participation in government but courts really aren't a part of government since they just interpret the law and don't actually make the law but only make the laws application. Jesus was looking for a way to focus all his attention on the United States and away from Palestine and Jerusalem and he liked Pittsburgh and New York the best.
  
  Jesus also liked the way Rutherford voided Brother Russell's will and called the government (cops) to remove the directors from Bethel. Jesus could see from that action that this was the printing business he would be proud to appoint as his business on earth.