Anti-Vaccination

by Elsewhere 33 Replies latest jw friends

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  neverthere

  Ok, here goes. For many reasons I am anti vaccine. First off, lets think about where most vaccines come from, they are made with HORSE serum. Not all, but most are made with HORSE serum. Should we, as humans be injecting, into our bodies horse cells, animal cells that are not broken down by the digestive system. I think it is a bad idea. Second, vaccines don't always work. I as a child had all my vaccines, and I still got Measles, and Rubella. The vaccines don't work the way that they claim they do. I know that some vaccines have prevented some serious diseases (Polio for one) but I think that in many cases that when we vaccinate ourselves we are making the diseases stronger, because in order to infect us they must MUTATE!

  Then comes the biggy for me, AUTISM. Some children develop AUTISM/PDD after they recieve their vaccines at 18 months.

  My hubby and I had a huge fight when it came to the vaccines. He took our daughter because I refused.

  Diana
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  caligirl

  In my opinion, for my own children, the benefits outweigh the risks. I am glad that they do not use the OPV any more because that did scare me. And no, they are not a 100% guarantee. I had the MMR, and still got Mumps. But I would rather have them vaccinated than risk them developing any of the diseases. At the very least, it will minimize the severity if they happen to get one of them. When it comes right down to it, we all have to make the decisions for our children that we feel is the best, and we are all entitled to our opinons on any subject.
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  pettygrudger

  It's not the vaccinations themselves that are inheirently the problem - it is the way they are administered and the way the U.S. & European nations give them out.

  I personally know of MANY mothers through my work in Autism that swear their children's Autism was caused by the MMR vaccination - and studies in the U.K. are bearing evidence that there is a link.

  In countries where the MMR is given mono instead of tri - cases of Autism have not increased. In countries where the MMR is given in the tri-form - cases have risen as much as 500% - not including those that have had proven Thermisol (mercury) poisoning which could be directly linked back to the vacinnations given them. (vaccinations are kept preserved with Thermisol, and usually given to the Doctor's office in 10-dose vials. If the nurse doesn't shake that vial real good - guess what the 10th child in that office is getting instead of a good dose of vaccination?)
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  rem

  "In countries where the MMR is given mono instead of tri - cases of Autism have not increased. In countries where the MMR is given in the tri-form - cases have risen as much as 500%"
  
  I haven't done that much research on this topic, but, as with all epidemiological studies, correlation does not equal causation, so any claim of a causal link is scientifically unfounded at this time.
  
  I personally believe that vaccinations do much more good than any alleged harm.
  
  rem
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  patio34

  I haven't read the pros and cons in the above links, so I'll be pretty mild in my answer. I concur though that the diseases would be horrific and I'd feel just terrible if my child were to contract polio and be crippled or worse their entire life from an easily preventable tragedy. (That wasn't very mild, lol, just an uninformed opinion, but based on practically the entire medical profession's opinion also.)

  Princess, you said:

  I refused the chickenpox vaccine. I am not comfortable with it, it hasn't been around long enough for long term effects to be studied. I had chickenpox twice and lived as did just about every kid I grew up with.

  Only one thing with that is once a person has had chickenpox, then they're vulnerable to shingles when they're middle-aged and up. Shingles can be devastating. I know of a couple of cases, one literally shortened the person's life, it seems. Another woman has been in horrible pain for months now and a disfiguring rash all over her neck and face. It's just going away now. That's the real downside of the pox virus--it seems to stay with you mostly dormant all your life, till you get shingles (the revitalized virus).

  Pat
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  pettygrudger

  http://www.whale.to/vaccines/wakefield.html

  For those that wish to see the studies that are being done in the U.K.
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  Mulan

  Only one thing with that is once a person has had chickenpox, then they're vulnerable to shingles when they're middle-aged and up.

  You are right...................Rachel had chicken pox at about age 4 I think, and then when she was 12, got shingles. She didn't like it, but it never came back. I know of several other kids that had the same thing.

  I sitll think the chicken pox vaccine is silly. As for the rest of it, causing autism, I have been to several seminars where the evidence for that was pretty overwhelming. I believe it. I have one son who has a very mild form of autism. He is the only one of my kids that I gave the vaccinations to, as an infant. The others were much older before I was convinced to do it.
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  NeonMadman

  Obviously, the "faithful and discreet slave" was ahead of its time in its condemnation of these cow-pus injections...
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  drwtsn32

  I am for most vaccines but may refrain from giving my child certain ones... especially those that have a higher risk (because they are made with certain components) and when the actual liklihood of getting the particular disease is pretty low.

  I got quite a bit of info from my sister, but I plan on doing more research when we actually have children.

  It is unbalanced to conclude all vaccinations are bad and should be avoided, IMO.

  I liked the second link you provided, Elsewhere.
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  neverthere

  I had chickenpox 3 times (yes 3) and to date have not had shingles (thank heavens) I refused the chickenpox vaccine and the ear infection vaccine that the doctor wanted my daughter to have, I didn't tell hubby about them either so she has only had the basic vaccines.

  2 of my 3 kids have a PDD (Pervasive Developmental Disorder) called Asperger's Syndrome, which is in the same family as Autism. Did the vaccines cause it, I am not sure, but I certainly think that they enhanced what might have already been there. Perhaps my youngest son would not have had such a hard time of life so far if we had not given him the vaccines.

  Diana