Anti-Vaccination

by Elsewhere 33 Replies latest jw friends

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  TD

  Just a word of clarification. It's important to distinguish between pre-exposure and post-exposure vaccines

  Pre-exposure vaccines (Poliomyelitis MMR, Varicella etc.) do not come from animals. The viral agent which forms the basis for the vaccine is cultured in egg. The most effective pre-exposure vaccines contain a live attenuated (weak) strain of the virus. When an attenuated strain is not available, the virus is "killed," ususally so that only the protein shell remains.

  Either way, your body will react basically the same as if it were attacked by the real thing. Over the next few weeks it will produce anti-bodies against the virus, giving you active immunity.

  Post-exposure vaccines are altogether different and not really the topic of this thread. Lets say you step on rusty nail and its been more than five years since your last tetanus booster. Let's say you are bitten by a rabid animal. You need immediate passive immunity.

  Post-eposure vaccines contain immune-globuliln --that is to say antibodies already made against the virus. Many common immune-globulins are produced recombinately today, but in the old days, the only source was some other creature that had already been exposed. It was common to use horses. Jehovah's Witnesses used to have a big problem with post-exposure vaccines.

  Regardless of the source, immune-globulin is a plasma protein. It is not cellular and it doesn't carry disease.
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  Xena

  I waited until my daughter was school age to get her vaccinations and then I opted for the inactive polio like princess did and got the DT instead of the DPT. I saw no reason for her to get it prior to attending school. She was breastfed as a baby and stayed home with me until school age. Her father and I did our own research and made our own informed decision based on what we thought was best after considering all aspects.

  She had chicken pox prior to the vaccination coming out, but if I remember correctly even if you get the vaccination you can get chickenpox...just most likely a milder form...ergo I would imagine you could still get shingles...but that is just an assumption, no cold hard facts...might be something interesting to research though.
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  Mulan

  Some of the first Gulf War vets are having some neurological problems that are directly linked to the vaccinations they got before going to war. I am looking for the website link, but can't find it. It also mentions the huge risk of autism in young children, who have gotten a smaller, similar dose from their doctors. It was compelling information.

  The main vaccine at issue is DPT.

  For what it's worth, I never have had a vaccination for anything. My father was a Naturopath and very much against vaccines. As a child I had chicken pox and measles, but nothing else. As an adult I have had one flu shot, but now am concentrating on building a strong immune system, which I seem to be pretty successful at doing. Those with compromised immune systems, those with auto-immune diseases and the very elderly....................I think they should get the flu shot, but it is never a guarantee anyway.

  I had a discussion with a neurology nurse at the hospital about vaccines and autism a few months ago, while my father was having a neurological test. She told me it is well known in their field that the DPT is risky and can cause autism, but she also said they will never admit it publicly.
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  Princess

  Only one thing with that is once a person has had chickenpox, then they're vulnerable to shingles when they're middle-aged and up. Shingles can be devastating. I know of a couple of cases, one literally shortened the person's life, it seems. Another woman has been in horrible pain for months now and a disfiguring rash all over her neck and face. It's just going away now. That's the real downside of the pox virus--it seems to stay with you mostly dormant all your life, till you get shingles (the revitalized virus).

  Interesting, especially since I have already had both. I'd do anything to keep my kids from ever getting shingles. Twenty-two years later I have no visible scars but I can show you the areas on my back where I had the rash...the skin is still numb.

  I wonder if the vaccine can still protect you from shingles. You can still get chicken pox if you've had the vaccine. My neighbor's two kids had the vaccine and the cp. Does the vaccine introduce the virus to your system? In that case I'd almost expect shingles later in life if exposed to the virus. I bet they don't even have any studies on it.
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  patio34

  Hi Princess,

  According to what TD posted and from what I know about the flu vaccination, a vaccine consists of dead virus and can't give you anything. Shingles comes from, what I understand, the chicken pox disease. The virus lives forever in you, like herpes, and becomes active. Shingles is yet another manifestation of the cp virus, not the vaccine. Also, it seems like older people get it more often and with worse results.

  I'm sorry you had it. I did have cp and haven't had shingles--yet.

  Pat
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  RAYZORBLADE

  You know, the old fashioned way was to let kids with 'chicken pox' go and be with other kids who had it so that they'd build a natural immunity.

  When I was a child, I remember being given an injection for the mumps.

  What happened? I got the mumps alright: but 2X.

  As a teenager, that's dangerous, especially for a young male teen, as it can affect ones gonads, or render a person sterile.

  Also, I have gone in for various vaccinations, innoculations of one sort or another, and sometimes my body does not 'take' to the shot.

  I wondered if it had anything to do with the fact that those of us whom are rh negative, do not have the protein on the allele of their blood cells that adhere to administered innoculations/vaccinations. Just a thought. I have even contacted various pharmaceutical companies about this, and they avoid my calls like the plague itself.

  I'm considering, but yet to do it, is head to either the U. of T. here in Toronto or one of the labratory clinics and sit with either a hematologist etc., and discuss this possibility.

  With 85%+ of the world Rh Positive, most of what is made, is for the general population; this leaves out the 15% or less, whom are rh negative. Me being one of them.

  I have had a number of blood levels taken with regards to a variety of innoculations etc., and the levels more often than not show the level of administered prophylaxis, non-existant. One time I did receive a second added booster, and I was ill because of it, still the levels: non-existant. They were puzzled. I mentioned I was rh negative, and they scratched their heads.

  Interesting subject. Mind you, I know that things in general compared to 30 to 40 years ago, are much better, but it seems like a science that is still 'know as you go'.

  Good discussions, and important ones too.
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  Simon

  (because they are made with certain components) and when the actual liklihood of getting the particular disease is pretty low.

  But isn't this the problem? The chances of getting the disease is pretty low ... at the moment because most of the population has been vaccinated.

  Once the level drops to a certain amount then there is the increased chance of epidemics and then they run the real risk of getting the diseases. Who knows how prevalent they will be in 10 or 15 years time for instance if the level of takeup of vaccination drops off?
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  Dawn

  I think people only look at the risk of having vaccination and don't properly consider the risk or consequences of not having them

  I agree - if people stop getting vaccinations then the diseas can cause more problems than the vaccines.

  I think it's best not to go too far one way or the other....get the vaccinations that are important - do your research - ask your dr. questions. I got my kids vaccinated for the main diseases, DTP and also Hep B. I also have been vaccinated against HepB as my last job required it - I handled evidence (and sometimes it had icky stuff on it)

  I don't do flu shots.
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  Mulan

  I think people only look at the risk of having vaccination and don't properly consider the risk or consequences of not having them

  It's infant vaccinations that are the problem. Most just don't need them. The Hepatitis B vaccine for babies is great if their mother is a drug user, or a prostitute. For adults, it's a different story. Most doctors will back that up too.
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  SixofNine

  Vaccines are the debil !!!