THE PASSION OF CHRIST (page 2)

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Loves Truth,

Try Reading the Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John in the Bible.

What an unbelievably novel idea! Clever! B.

This is what I think. During the scripting of Braveheart Mel Gibson probably began thinking of the torture of other of his heros. One of these being Jesus. Now whether or not I believe in Jesus I certainly am interested in how Mel Gibson portrays him. Afterall, legends are the way we remember times and people(some real stuff some not). Considering Mel Gibson's interest in showing what torture is all about ie., Braveheart, this should be good (in a certain sense).

Another idea I have is that we shouldn't forget what happened to the Protestants like John Wycliff and the Hugenots and others who were persecuted by the R.Catholic church when they were espousing new doctrine (new light) . Why would the priests at Yahweh's temple have been any different? What religious group , especially the hierarchy likes to be told that they are not only wrong but also Satanic.

If you need to see a film about Jesus torture to be emotionally attached to his death - well therapy might be a good idea too. Just MO.

I'll wait for the DVD.

Panda

RR

Although I'm not too thrilled about sitting there reading subtitled since the movie is in Aramaic and latin, originally it wasn't going to have subtitles. I will probably see it.

Hopefully, I won't get spit on by protestors like I did by angry cagholics when I went to see "The Last Temptation of Christ" so many years ago in Manhattan.

RR

Satanus

A couple of interesting points brought up: gibson is in opus dei, and it's a propaganda piece. The latter point is interesting because of the reactionary protests of a leading group. Stepping back, taking a look at the bigger picture, it has been this same group that trumpeted the hunt for catholic pedos.

Also, braveheart was a proscottish peice. As some know, when the knights templar were squashed by the church, indications are that many went to scotland, being provided w refuge there. Some time ago, a templar from scotland died somehow in jerusalem. Authorities there did an autopsy, keeping some parts, before sending the remains back to his home country.

There is more, but i'm sure you can see where i'm heading. These are vague indications that there could be a tug of war going on. Then again, i could have had one too many coffees.

SS

Phantom Stranger

The following are excerpts from BettyBowers.com's review of The Passion of the Christ. (For those not in the know, Betty Bowers IS "America's Finest Christian"):

I don't normally bother to see a film when I've read the Book. Unlike Justin Timberlake, I prefer to eschew implausible deniability when it comes to the fragility of surprise. But since The Passion of the Christ (not, mind you, just any Christ you might happen to cross crosses with, but the Christ), grew from the prodigiously fertilized soil of Roman Catholicism, a church that has never been fettered by its source materials when it comes to wildly dramatic theological flourishes, I went anyway.

Mel Gibson shrewdly marketed this film in a manner made popular by many wealthy, privileged neocon Christians in America -- by claiming to be the victim of a persecution so insidious it leaves no visible traces.

But complaining that the New Testament is anti-Semitic is tantamount to complaining that The Sound of Music is disconcertingly Austrian.

...rabbis should celebrate that the film doesn't open with the apostle Paul inciting an angry crowd with a spirited musical rendition of lyrics based on his colorful epistle to the Thessalonians:

"The Jews who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men." 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15

Mel Gibson, a serial adulterer who finds piety in not speaking English at Mass, invested $25 million of his own money in this film. Just like Rosie O'Donnell with Taboo, Mr. Gibson broke the Golden Rule of showbiz to put on a show about a man who wore a dress.

Jesus (looking like Nicole Kidman should have looked at the end of the Civil War if she had hoped to win an Oscar for Cold Mountain)... As a Baptist, I don't often find myself promoting R-rated films, but I'm proud that I live in a country where witnessing two hours of bloody, barbarous torture in gloating detail is considered indicia of religious piety, whereas a mere second gazing upon a woman's breast is cause for outraged apoplexy.

tinkerafbrat

Yes, I plan on going to see it. Just because it's a film doesn't mean I have to agree with every essential detail of it. Nor do you. I'm sure Jesus will be hoisted on a cross, which is not historically correct. I equate this with watching "The Ten Commandments". Case in point: The Bible clearly states that Pharoah died in the parting of the Red Sea when he followed his soldiers into the water. However, in the film, he only watched the death of his men.

It is my opinion that one needs to always seperate truth from fiction.

Double Edge

Ironic, isn't it... here's a film that follows the scriptures as they were written and it get's pre-judged and put down by people who haven't even screened it. All this grief from the Hollywood elites..... YET, Martin Scorsesis (sp) can make a fictatious The Last Temptation of Christ, which totally ignores the gospels and make Jesus a parnoid, quivering, self-doubting carpenter who just can't get his act together.... and Hollywood loves it and can't understand why the controversy from the public in general.

I intend to see the film for myself and make up my own mind. I don't need people telling me how to think, much less Hollywood.

SixofNine

I'm sure Jesus will be hoisted on a cross, which is not historically correct.

Er... you might want to read up on that. Turns out that WT myth was just one more of some-loon-in-Brooklyn-NY's opinion foisted upon us unsuspecting witnesses as fact.

In fact, there is pretty strong evidence for it being a cross, and scant evidence for a stake.

Will Power

I hope to go see it. My kids have expressed interest as well, and they are still allowed to "harbor their own independant thoughts". So I'll be makin sure they do get to see it.

I'm sure Jesus will be hoisted on a cross, which is not historically correct.

I've always wondered....and I am just a stupid girl so please give me some latitude...

- if Jesus carried the a beam out to calvary (or even if he didn't) was that beam then put into a hole as a torture stake?

How did they stop it from wobbling?

and after they fastened him to it how do they pick him up while on this torture stake and put the whole thing into a hole, then stop it from wobbling?

Or did he carry a crossbeam, get nailed to it, then get "hoisted" onto a stationary "stake" (used over & over so it is in so deep & re-inforced with adobe junk & doesn't wobble)

and this "stake" as well as the crossbeam are made out of wood that comes from a TREE.

The works of Josepheus as well as others speak of crucifixions. What the hell is the problem anyway??? IF I was a witness and the torture stake was one of their doctrines I'd call it and all their explanations spurious just because of all the rest of the stuff they are DEAD WRONG on. Then I'd go and nourish that INDEPENDANT THOUGHT.

So, I can't wait to see the movie. Will witnesses be allowed? maybe not cause it is rated R. - That will be their out eh? Their loss.

Will POWER

Yerusalyim

RR,

It wouldn't be Catholics spitting at you at this film, it would be Jews. Sorry about your Last Temptation experience....some people are just plain silly. I actually enjoyed the book, didn't get a chance to see the movie.

Geesh people, read some history...Jesus, and any other condemned criminal, would have lugged the crossbeam only out to the site of execution where semipermenant posts were erected...after being nailed (or tied) to the cross beam...the beam would have been lifted onto the upright pole and the feet tied, nailed or some times left hanging. The biblical account of crucifixion is quite gruesome, and quite accurate.

THE PASSION OF CHRIST

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