by laurelin 30 Replies latest watchtower bible
As it has already been noted in past threads you need to go to the inspired scriptures.... here we go
Littletoe 10:6.... And Gumby did proceedeth to bend over and preacheth through his holy orifice and evil did thus come into the world. An unspeakable evil which permeated all who came into contact with this deadly unseen spirit.
Ewww...gives me shivers
Sh*t, that's obscenely evil!
But ya know, that scripture has been twisted to all sorts of foul ends.
(are bad puns considered evil, I wonder?)
I believe that the total sovereignty of God, has to have God creating evil. With that said God is the only "free agent."
drawcad said....
He created perfect angels and one of them, Lucifer, decided to be bad and became evil. This goes against, in my opinion, the idea that God created everything. If he did then he would have also created evil, but that would go against a loving God.
If we are to believe the Bible account, why would evil "BE" in the first place? Why exist at all? Why aren't we all living in a beautiful, paradise earth with no babies being murdered, no starvation, no corrupt politicians killing millions, no war. True ugly evil in all its forms had to be created by someone. If God is the "creator of all", then it would be a contradiction to say he didn't create evil.
ellderwho said....
I believe that the total sovereignty of God, has to have God creating evil. With that said God is the only "free agent."True, ellder....There is no free will. Free will implies that you have a choice. Either/Or....with NO CONSEQUENCES either way. Why would there even have to be a choice? God could have put Adam and Eve in the garden, and let them live their lives without adding the ridiculous game of Good vs.Evil. And that's all it is. A game of egos between God and Satan. We are just the little puppets with no free will. No matter what we choose to do, we ALL DIE ANYWAY!!!!!!! I can't choose NOT to die! God created everything. He created Lucifer. The universe. Us. He was the beginning. Evil had to come from Him. And I don't believe evil is in the eye of the beholder. When I look at the news and see an 11 year old girl kidnapped and murdered...that's evil. When I see babies blown up...that's evil. When I see families ripped apart by war...that's evil. Watching starving children in their mother's arms....I see evil. Why does evil even exist, if God does not want it to? If there was no more evil, then there's no more GAME.
Pandora's Box...........................
Pandora's Box
At first the life of man on earth was happier than it is now, and then miseries and discontents gradually crept in. Prometheus and Epimetheus created men only, not women.
When Zeus was angry with mankind, he devised the worst punishment he could think of, and invented Woman. Hephaestus, the smith of the gods, was instructed to form her from the earth and make her irresistibly beautiful. Each of the gods gave her his own special gift of skill, and from this she was called Pandora, "all gifted".
When she was perfected with every gift and arrayed in all her loveliness, this treacherous treasure was taken down to earth by Hermes, the messenger god who wears winged helmet and sandals to speed his flight, and given to Prometheus' foolish brother Epimetheus. Now Prometheus had warned his brother not to accept anything from Zeus, even if it looked like a gift sent in friendship; but Epimetheus as usual acted first and thought afterwards. He accepted the maiden from Hermes and led her into his house, and with her a great jar - some say a box or chest - which the gods had sent with her, telling her to keep it safely but never think of opening it.
This was too much for a lively girl like Pandora, who among her gifts was endowed with the first feminine curiosity. After restraining it for a little while, she at last gave in and lifted the lid from the jar, and from that moment began the sorrows of mankind. For each of the gods had stored in it the worst thing he was able to give, and wonderful as had been the gifts with which they endowed her, just as dreadful were the evils that rushed eagerly from the jar in a black stinking cloud like pestilent insects - sickness and suffering, hatred and jealousy and greed, and all the other cruel things that freeze the heart and bring on old age.
Pandora tried to clap the lid on the jar again, but it was too late. The happy childhood of mankind had gone forever, and with it the Golden Age when life was easy. From then on man had to wrest a hard living by his own labour from the unfriendly ground.
Only one good thing came to man in the jar and remains to comfort him in his distress, and that is the spirit of Hope.
twisted to all sorts of foul ends.
LT!!! EWWWWWW! Bad, very very bad!
That and similar questions got me DF'd for insisting upon an answer. Of course being a 15 year old and "in your face" about it didn't help. You have fallen into the trap of taking the Garden of Eden account literally, which is the trap 99% of Christianty is in. Most biblical scholars are above this and look at the moral and ethical issues raised by ancient mythical stories, of which this is likely one. Hope you don't mind my non-answer, but I long ago realized that the JWs and the majority of Christians don't have the foggiest notion about the biblical inconsistencies and the profound implications thereof.
carmel
laurelin I believe God not only created evil, he decrees it! He didn't just create evil, he controls it perfectly to effect his perfect will. It is part of his creation. To believe otherwise, is to say that life and the evil that is in the world has no meaning. It would also mean that God is helpless to stop it. Some say that evil disproves God! But the fact that they can recognize it (evil), proves God exists. For some reason people can't seem to come to terms with the fact that God can create evil, and control it, without participating in it. D Dog
God created it, so it's from god.
D Dog....
For some reason people can't seem to come to terms with the fact that God can create evil, and control it, without participating in it.
That is just ludicrous! If he created it, he participates in it!
