Why are JW women so loyal to the Borg? (page 2)

Francois

Religion is an emotional, not an intellectual matter in my experience. If you can find a way to appeal to your wife's emotions with your intellectual information I think you'll see better success.

ft

LDH

Boroea:

With all due respect, who do you think you are?!?!?

It took you 25 years to see them for what they are. And you want to know about her???!?!

Lisa

beroea

LDH

My wife has been inside almost 22 year nearly as long as I

beroea

LDH

Borea,

Then your thread should have been: "Why have I, who have had inside knowledge of the BORG for several years at least, continued to allow the emotional blackmail that is JW?"

Where do you 'get off' with your theme about women? Is your wife the elder? If you are a good little elder you would not have shared any of the kangaroo court bullshit that goes on in a judicial committee. Where do you think she's gonna get this knowledge about how bad the Borg is?

Your wife will see what she wants to see, when she wants to see it. The same way as you are doing. The way I figure it, with you in the Borg for 25 years and her in for 22 years, she's got at least three more years of brainwashing before you can start asking this question.

Seeker

why is it so tuff to make a JW women think

Because they are taught not to think by the WTS.

I'll let that inflmmatory statement settle in while I acknowledge what you and others in this thread have said: It's hard for any of us, of either gender, to make this mental change. Patience and persistence are key.

Now back to my statement. Here's why I said that:

1. "Independent thinking" is outlawed for all. What do you have when independent thinking is discouraged as a tool of Satan? Right, all you have left is dependent thinking.

2. Wives are told to be subject to their husband. They are told that if they have to correct their husband, to phrase it in a question, so as not to be seen as rebellious. Under no circumstances are they to correct other brothers.

3. They are not allowed to teach the congregation, but have to face each other in school talks. The message received is: I am not qualified to teach others.

4. They are not supposed to answer certain types of questions in the Watchtower study, questions that only elders (and maybe M.S.) are supposed to raise their hand for.

When you take a culture like this, the message is clear: My thoughts are not as valuable as a man's. From there, it can be a short leap to: Why should I think? Unless they are strong-minded enough to resist the propaganda.

With your wife, I would suggest counteracting the mental programming she has absorbed by encouraging her to think independently. Praise her when she stands on her own. Help her to fight the mental abuse that women experience within the WTS. Help her to see she is of value, her opinions are of value, and her thoughts are of value. Maybe then she will learn to trust her thoughts and not fight them.

Remember, this is not the way I view women, but the way the WTS does. It seems obvious to me that the thoughts of all humans are equally of value. Sadly, the WTS does not agree.

JT

seeker says

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why is it so tuff to make a JW women think
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Because they are taught not to think by the WTS.

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you are 100% correct it is due to the training that females recieve in wt and that is the bottom line

any HINT AT A woman questioning or trying to show that she is smarter than a brother is shot down

case in point we had a sister in our hall who works for the society

she has a PHD and yet when an uneducated bro had to conduct the bookstudy she could not IN GOOD CONSCIENCE CORRECT HIS DUMBA$$

so it is due to the intense and constant training of women to KNOW YOUR PLACE SISTER is why in my opinion and based on my exp

james

beroea

To LDH

I’m sorry if I have said something wrong about women. That’s not my point. Man and women are equal in values but they are different and supplement each other in a beautiful way. By the JW teaching that’s not the case. JW are not allowed women to be a real part of the society even they have some very important values to add.

I do know I have a responsibility to show patience and let my wife choose her own speed and respect her choice even I don’t like her choose. I will stay with her and love her no matter what she decides about staying or not.

My points was that we sometimes think different and I only want to understand more to be able to respect more. A wish to understanding can't be that bad.

Please accept my apologies if I said something wrong about women – that wasn’t my opinion. I think you did misunderstand my point.

beroea

LDH

Beroea,

In all honesty I was just incredulous at a man who has been 25 years a WT slave wondering why ANYONE ELSE was so loyal to the Borg.

I mean, YOU are still in--Hello?!?!?

Yes, I have started threads myself on the systemic 'dumbing down' that the WBTS does of women--offering them crumbs from the little puppies food dish. However, I couldn't help but kind of wonder about your question when YOU haven't even left Mind Control Central.

No hard feelings--but you should remove the rafter from your own eye first, no?

waiting

hello beroea,

Nice to see your words again - I used to read them often on H20. You made a good point about women in general. Even when a man beats them, threatens to kill them - it takes many women years to leave him. Why?

Some studies have shown, as Seeker says, that low self esteem has much to do with it. "Who would want a stupid, ugly, tramp like me? How will I live - I have no money. How will I feed my kids? I have no job."

The WTBTS has done basically the same thing to women - except cleaned it up and presented it in a gift wrap - again like Seeker & JT said.

But you're wife is facing the same, but different, circumstances than you. Does she have family in the org? Will they speak to her if she leaves? Where are her friends? Where will her security and sense of *knowing the truth* come from if she leaves the only thing that she's sure of?

It may take her days, months, years - to get to where you're at now, or maybe never. But a good husband will make her journey much easier. I know - my husband & I left at the same time, and he's a great friend to have.

waiting

beroea

To LDH

Thanks for your post. I’ll try to remove the rafter from my eye. I live in Europe and I think the JW lives is a little different to the USA. Mainly here in the north of Europe we are raised to distrust authorities and women are in general more closed to men compare to your country. My wife is very strong and as said well educated – just like my self. So we were allowed to take a good education and the problems inside the JWs about that was only a little.

My confusion is between to live with at women very independent and fast thinking and facing the reality that a long JW live has affected her a lot. That makes me a little angry - not on her but to the JW reasons to that.

Yes you are right - I have been there for a long time. So I’m not the one to force anybody to react at once. It’s time to think.

beroea

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