Armageddon Dreaming...

by Doubtfully Yours 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Hi DY,

  Interesting topic!

  I JUST bought a book called 'Radical Dreaming'

  http://www.radicaldreaming.com/

  I found it of interest because it takes a new approach to interpreting dreams and uses the deams to find your 'Authentic Self'.

  That term 'Authentic Self' caught my attention because as a JW, I felt that my True Self was buried deep in dub-dumb thoughts and reasoning.

  I ahve just started reading the book, so sorry, I can't give any thoughts as to what the dream means, but here is what some things in the book did say about dreams:

  • Our dreams almost always tell us something that our conscience self doesn't already know
  • Our dreams almost never should be taken literally.
  • The items in our dreams are really metaphors, just everyday items that our 'Authentic Self' uses to speak to our 'conscience self' in symbols.

  So, if this book is right, you were not really dreaming about the 'Big-A'. It is symbolic of something else and should not be viewed as literal.

  I haven't read too much of the book yet, but what i ahve read so far is fascinating!

  as an aside note, I also got this book:

  http://www.radicaldreaming.com/books.htm

  Under the Influence:
  The Destructive Effects of Group Dynamics

  Just started reading it as well. Very good read so far.

  Best,

  Paul
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  FirstInLine

  DoubtfullyYours,

  I forgot to give you your props on that dream. Unfortunately it is too much of a stretch to believe scientists would actually explain away that sort of thing but with some adaptation that might make a decent low budget bible movie. With people sort of excepting the supernatural component but not caring after a while and things going business as usual. Say after maybe 8 or 10 weeks people start acting like there usual selves when they hear everyone else is still cheating on their spouse and people are still driving drunk and such.
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  nicolaou

  Not really sure if this counts as an Armageddon dream, it's a recurring nightmare I used to have from about 5 or 6 years old. My Mum had been studying for about a year and was taking us to all the meetings by then. Though I didn't make the connection for a very long time, the symbolism now seems bloody obvious.

  Imagine a hardback book of gigantic proportions, easily as high as a 40 storey building. Put that book on it's spine and you'll see how the page edges are now way, way up in the air. My Mum, my brother and sister and myself are on the edge of the hard front cover. We have to make it to the safety of the back cover of the book by crossing over all the page edges. Me and my little brother are holding hands, he also holds our Mum's hand as she carries our baby sister.

  We set off across the page edges hundreds of feet up in the air 1, 2, 3, 4..... The pages are swaying as the giant book threatens to open up. Between the pages we can see the enormous drop down to the bottom which is hidden in the pitch black below. My brother and sister are crying and Mum is trying to keep them calm but she is scared too. I have to lead the way and make sure we all get across to safety.

  The page edges are really moving now. My brother slips over the edge and starts screaming. Me and Mum are trying to pull him out but even though he's so small and light we can't do it. Mum is crying as well now. A clump of pages move sharply and in a moment my brother is whisked away from us and gone. My Mum, clutching my baby sister and wailing her despair, falls between the pages and disappears.

  I'm all alone and terrified - that's usually where I woke up.

  Sorry to make a heavy point but these aren't just stories, they're symptomatic of a very real and very frightening state of existence for young JW (and other cult) children. The Watchtower should be ashamed.

  [see also: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/54351/1.ashx ]
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  Sentinel

  JW's use the term "Armageddon", but so do many others. It signifies a conclusion. Men of old had their dreams and visions--they just happened to get "in print" in our recorded history books. People like to think there will be a conclusion to the "beginning", even if the way it is presented is terrifying. There are lots of people who would like to see the flesh rot off their worse enemy.

  The fact is, we live on a planet that has a life span. When that time is up, this planet will die. If we are still here, we would die too in something so cateclysmic. Our planet has already gone through many changes over the centuries of time. Animal and plant life here died out and then came back. Man entered the picture as a project, and even that took at least two or three tries. We are a wondrous creation, but we are very much different than other creations because of what we contain. We will be taken care of by the creator, in whatever manner he finds suitable--in the flesh. The souls given to humans, come from the universe and are travellers in these "units". We must connect with our soul to become truly spiritual and to fulfil our destiny.

  There is a much bigger picture, but we only tend to look at "frames" at a time.

  /<
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  talesin

  nic,

  thanks for posting the link to your poem - it's sooooooo appropriate for this subject, and was the reason for my first post

  I thought of you when reading this thread ...

  Anyone who has not read 'A child of nine.', please click on link in nicolau's post above - you won't regret it.

  talesin

  (After reading 'a child of nine' I just had to logon to tell you thanks - for speaking for that kid i used to be, and still am lots of nites. After so-o-oo many years i just don't feel so alone anymore.)
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  nicolaou

  Thanks for your knid words talesin. I have to say, this forum has turned full circle on me. When I first started posting here over 3 years ago I was the one who needed support. I needed to know that I wasn't alone in what I had gone through.

  It's nice to give some of that back.