Absolute truth of life's mysteries can not really be proven ..,,right? (page 2)

alias

LyinEyes,

I'm in a very similiar place as you. Coming away from the organization with "all of the answers" to a place where you question everything and have no way to "prove" the answers is frustrating. We think that if we know the answers, our lives will be more complete and purposeful. But then again, I think about when I was an active JW. My life was not as satisfying as it is now. Now that I've the freedom to read and think; explore and express my truth and myself.

I've come to a place where I'm "ok" with not knowing the answers. I live my life intuitively and still keep my eyes and ears open for answers and lessons everywhere. I observe the patterns in life and feel that there is so much we are not aware of, so much we have yet to learn, and some things we can experience only when we are honestly open to them and with ourselves.

I just read The Road Less Traveled by M. Scott Peck. Like most books promoting a certain "truth" or belief, I take in the perspective and may think, "I can see truth to that," or "that sounds pretty whacked." I am just happy that I can do these things now and expand my worldview.

Whatever the case, I'm enjoying the journey. Who knows what tomorrow will bring? I'm happy for this moment and for the opportunity to explore and question. It keeps life interesting.

What is truth? It depends who you ask.

alias

Carmel

Alias, good philosophy! The mind is like an animal trap. It doesn't work when it's closed...or something like that! I've enjoyed Pecks books. He has a lot of good ideas. You are also right about how much there is out there to learn. Stuff that the Borg shielded us from. If you get a chance to read the Koran, Bagavaghita, Upanishads and Kitab'I'qan, I'd stongly encourage it. You'll find that the WTBTS was not only hiding a lot, it was not telling the truth about them as well. Of course, Christianity in general really doesn't want you finding out what is "out there" as well. In many regards, the other scriptures are more inspiring than the bible, especially the Ot.Keep that mind open!

carmel

alias

carmel,

Thank you?I appreciate that! I am excited at the amount of information out there. These days the library is my best friend.

Thank you again,

alias

gumby

So what do you think........do you ,since leaving JW,,,,,,,,feel you have some answers, and how did you come to your present feelings on the mysteries of life? Are you stuck in limbo land of the unknown?

The problem with a belief is it's just as your words in bold type explain it......it's a 'feeling' people have with no proof. You would think that since the time that man has recorded history there would be some tangable proof of a diety of some kind. A miraculous event that many saw, a voice, a photo, ......something.

I have many times felt god has blessed me at certain times. Then....I think of all those in the world in pain who cry out with no ansewrs or relief from a loving god......and I lose faith. Yes....I for one am in Limbo as to the most important question of my personal life....."how and who put us here, and why"?

( I think I need to read the "Life Does Have a Purpose" book again written by Fred Franz........he knew ALL the answers.)

Gumby

Rabbit

Hi Eyes,

I really want to be a believer,,,,,and I am working on that. In my own personal life,,,,,,,it is very important to me. But as of yet, I feel kind of stuck in the rut of uncertainity , either way.

Me, too I feel that same void Dede, sometimes I wonder if it's 'cause the Wash-tower TOLD us over and over -- "we have the Truth" so, there is no where else to go! I tend to look around at all the religions I came across when regular pioneering 3 years...I see all their 'faults'. Things which even today I think are hypocritical, I just draw a line thru their names and say -- not them! I look around and think -- there are lots of things I see that the Witnesses do right -- like their non-racist viewpoints, generally being law abiding, anti-war, etc. things that are important to me.

Of course their family breaking practices of DA/DF, shuuning, their secret laws, blood issues , etc. is MORE than enough to X them off my list, too.

Maddening isn't it...?

Lee

LyinEyes

True Rabbit, I when I was able to speak after the movie, the Passion tonite....... I then got mad.......ANGRY at JW's.......angry at their arrogance,,,,,,,,,how dare they take a scripture and use that to d/f people on grounds that are not even in the Bible!!!!! How dare they think they are better than Jesus.........to do this to people.

Jesus didnt throw the first stone at the sinful woman,,,,,,,,,if he forgave her, and told her to go and sin no more,,,,,,,,,then why in the hell do the JW's think they can go above and beyound the law of Christ. He said to love one another as he loved them. They JW, mainly GB and elders,,,,,,,,,,are Pharisees,,,,,gone wild. They seem to have a sadistic side to watch people grovel for forgiveness, punish them, berate them. lie,,,,,,,,I could go on and on,,,,,,,,,,,Jesus , DID NOT teach that .

I feel that so many of us as ExJW's fit in this world in our own catogory. Many of us didnt have the choice to beleive anything eles , being raised in it,,,,,,,we were brainwashed, even as adults coming into that cult.

I look at other people I know,,,,,,,,never have been JW's ,,,,,,,and I am jealous that they don't have the questions, that we do, in the way that we do. Do we ever truly stop being exjw's? I think for the rest of my days..........I will always be an apostate of JW, and an exjw.....I can't see that it will one day be a distance memory of my life as it once was,,,,,,,,,, it was too consuming .

I would like to someday have a belief system as other people do,,,,,,,,right or wrong,,,,who knows,,,,,but to be able to feel I have found a place I feel is right for me. I guess that is why I can't see myself in another religion ever again......not that I will never go to church, I just might one day. But I would use it as a tool for myself to help me , not as the only way to salvation.

I think I can do that at home,,,,,,,my relationship with God/Jesus,(????) will start in my home and that is where I hope to keep my strength when I get it and my belief. I never want to let any man made organization , religion etc. to ever get their hands on what I will have worked so hard to get.

I will always be leary of going before a priest, a preacher, for guidence , at least that is how I feel now, because I don't want to be brainwashed again,,,,,,,,or told how I should be.

LittleToe

Dede:

,,,,,,,,,how dare they take a scripture and use that to d/f people on grounds that are not even in the Bible!!!!! How dare they think they are better than Jesus.........to do this to people.

That pretty well sums up my feelings on the matter.

They JW, mainly GB and elders,,,,,,,,,,are Pharisees,,,,,gone wild.

Yup. If I should feel guilty about anything it should be this, having been foremost of the Pharisees.
However even Elders are duped to an extent. That may be why they are losing all their humane ones.

......not that I will never go to church, I just might one day. But I would use it as a tool for myself to help me , not as the only way to salvation.

???
What makes you think that that isn't exactly what it's supposed to be for?
It can be used as a stepping stine, but woe-betide you if you start to put your faith in "religion"!!!

I look forward to hearing your comments on the movie. I suspect they'll be in another thread.
It doesn't get released here for another two weeks, and I'm champing at the bit, to see it.

onacruse

Dede, the word "epiphany" comes to mind.

When it happens, it happens...and after it happens, it doesn't matter.

Like climbing to the top of a mountain.

But the ~~~~~~~, ohhhhhh, the ~~~~~~~ of thought!

Lemme know when WT is home, and we'll give ya a call.

Craig & Kate

LyinEyes

Little Toe asked:

???
What makes you think that that isn't exactly what it's supposed to be for?
It can be used as a stepping stine, but woe-betide you if you start to put your faith in "religion"!!!
I look forward to hearing your comments on the movie. I suspect they'll be in another thread.
It doesn't get released here for another two weeks, and I'm champing at the bit, to see it.

I made that statement because I have never been to church ,,,,,,,,, I am leary of it,,,,,,,but I am open to the possibility that I may enjoy going to church, I may get more out of it that I think . I still am scared to put my faith in any "relgion" yet, because I am not sure what I believe. I am still working on the whole concept of God,,,,,,,,,,I havent even started to think about hellfire yet.......lol. I was baptised Catholic and all of my dad's family are still Catholic, any they strongly believe in hellfire,,,,,,,, I have no clue....lol.

I did make comments on the movie, in the thread,,,,called the Passion of Christ someone with a long name,,,,,I forgot it because I have been on the phone........lol.

Cicatrix

I know where you're coming from, Dede. I've wrestled with this issue even before I left the organisation.

Now I'm not so sure I want to know the absolute truth. The magic is in the mystery. I'll never stop learning, and I'm not so keen on authoritative anything now. I'm finding experiencing much more to my liking.Are my experiences "truth"? I don't know, and I don't really care. I think the person who said "It isn't the destination, it's the journey that counts" had a good point.

Absolute truth of life's mysteries can not really be proven ..,,right?

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