US fingerprints 'allied' visitors

by Simon 45 Replies latest social current

  • Simon
    Simon

    The 'prints' are read electronically as are the photgraphs. Actually, software is pretty good now at matching things up and can even recognise people if they try and disguise themselves.

    To be honest, I would rather my country was more like the US than the other extreme which is where we are now. The latest political row in the UK is that the current government has been knowingly handing out visa's to all sorts of dodgy characters from Albania with forged documents because Blair promised to curb illegal asylum seekers and he wanted to fake the figures. Dishonest little shit.

    It seems to me though that Americans shouldn't expect double standards - if you are going to treat visitors to your own country like that then don't complain when you go elsewhere and have the same thing done to you.

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Double Edge:

    I think I would revisit it....politics aside, I still get a lump in my throat when I remember the news showing the London crowds right after 9/11 waving some American flags in sympathic solidarity of the tragedy.

    Here's your lump in the throat from Buckingham Palace! Scroll down to the anthem bit.

    http://yolo.net/wpd/ssb.html

    Englishman.

  • Simon
    Simon

    I must say, the US national anthem is a proper national anthem, unlike our dreary 'dirge' (with lyrics that not many people subscribe to any more)

    The Star Spangled Banner (written by a lawyer to the tune written by an English composer) is actually very moving and stirring and describes the defense of Fort McHenry by the horrible British .

    http://americanhistory.si.edu/ssb/opening.html

  • donkey
  • patio34
    patio34

    Donkey:

    Simon and E-man, speaking of anthems, I'm in Sweet Adelines (a women's harmony chorus) and we do a stirring rendition of Stars and Stripes Forever. Of course, I don't think of the current actions when i sing it. Audiences love it when we sing it. We get a standing ovation. Ta-da!

    Pat

  • roybatty
    roybatty
    You know I was kind of suprised at how lax the security was when I entered England.

    Was the same when the kids and I left Mexico a few weeks ago. No x-ray machines. They hand checked all the luggage going onto the plane. They couldn't get my son's luggage open because the zipper broke, so they just sent it through. Made me feel really safe!

    I heard starting next week the federal government will require all female passengers on flights leaving Texas to board wearing only two piece bathing suits. God bless the Homeland Security Agency!

  • Sunnygal41
    Sunnygal41

    LMAO @ Simon!!! Well, I think that their time has come, certainly. If I were a British subject, I'd definitely want the monarchy done away with.........they are a relic of the past for sure! I can't stand Dubbya, either, as you may remember, that shifty eyed weasel! LOL! But, if they fingerprint everyone, then, no one will be held back from flying because their face looks like a terrorist.......one scan of their prints and they'd be absolved. However, even fingerprints can be erased or faked, correct? So, the next obvious thing is retina scanning............what I've found is that if I sit here and begin to think about this whole Big Brother thing, I would never go anywhere.......I'd be too paranoid.......so, I choose not to start down that slippery slope...........by all means, if the US is going to fingerprint, then, other countries would be within their rights to fingerprint also..............IMO.

    Terri

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim
    I think this is smoke and mirrors to fool the public into believing that "something is being done" by an administration that didn't do enough when it should have.

    Simon the anti-Terrorism expert.

  • Hyghlandyr
    Hyghlandyr
    OH MY GOD! This is just the WORST possible thing that could happen...the sky is falling the sky is falling. My basic human and civil rights are being violated because the US wants to take my picture and finger print me...all electronically.

    Geesh...let's whine a bit. Simon...what's YOUR solution to border security then? Real easy to criticize...let's her suggestions.

    Um, what he said. Yeru is in the military? And I imagine if so he has been fingerprinted. I have a commerical drivers license, class B, not even a class A yet and I have been fingerprinted several times. For jobs. I am an American, already living in america. I have all of my IDs. I have family, and a resident and other proofs of who I am. I have my schools that I attended here. Yet still I have been fingerprinted. And had numerous background searches done. That is something which I have a right to..a right to work.

    As of five or six years ago banks require a thumbprint if you try to cash a check from one of their account holders. Unless you have an account with that bank. A check is a demand for money. It is not a request to the bank. The bank is not providing ME a service, they are providing their client a service. Otherwise the client would have to pay me in cash. Yet still I get fingerprinted...again over something that is my right. I dont complain about this, or the background checks or the fingerprinting to get jobs or any other kind of fingerprinting Ive had done.

    Do I have a right to visit england? Or france? Not if their leaders and laws say I do not. If I want to visit I have to follow their laws. The same thing. ive been printed for things I have a right to. If others, including allies, want to visit america, why should they be held to weaker standards than us? Are we always being fingerprinted? No. Will it come someday, maybe. So what.

    Will it have solved the issues of 9/11? Probably not back then. Will it now? Maybe. Will it solve every terrorist attack? Unlikely. Will it solve some? How many remember the man trying to sneak in from Canada on the Millenium? They got him. We wont stop EVERY attack. But we can make it far more difficult for terrorists to act. We can REDUCE the number and the seriousness of those attacks. And the "if it only saves one" quip usually ticks me off but in this case, yes if it helps prevent even one attack, it's done its job.

    People act as if this is the ONLY thing that the governement is doing to protect americans and our visitors. It isnt. I do not like or agree with ALL the steps that they are taking. But many of them are very reasonable. In addition Ive never been in the military or a part of the police force, and I am smart enough to realize that as a result they know things that I do not know. Some things are too far yes. But background checks and fingerprinting on those that come into the country? No I think that is entirely reasonable.

    It is also reasonable that other countries require the same of people, including americans, that are coming into their countries.

  • Simon
    Simon
    Simon the anti-Terrorism expert.

    I think I have more of a bloody clue than the joker you have in charge!

    You don't have to be able to play the piano to recognise when someone else is playing it wrong ...

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