I think I need help with this..

by ScoobySnax 22 Replies latest jw friends

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Scott, perhaps the best way I can offer any "help" is to be perfectly honest about my own struggles, and why I've struggled with you.

    I went back for another 20 years of "second helpings" at the WTS table, and the last 10 years were geometrically increasingly torturous. The last 5 years, I tried to fade, to no avail. And yet, after all that (and more), you know what? I WOULD STILL BE A JW, if in name only, if it wasn't for the fact that they forcibly kicked me out. And even then, for a couple of years after, I was mentally and emotionally still a JW, as my closest friends can well attest.

    So, I'm in no position to throw stones at you, but I must admit that, within myself (perhaps just a projection) I look at the advice and support you've gotten here on JWD for well over a year, and yet you still seem to have the same ambivalences and raise the same questions, and continue to sidestep the straight-up life-experience perspectives that so many have offered to you.

    As one small example: Little Toe gave me some very cogent thoughts, just as I was pondering about this "Kate" lady LOL...and, in spite of the fact that his observations ran totally contrary to what I'd come to believe as a JW, I LISTENED TO HIM, took that "leap of faith," and am I ever glad that I did.

    It's obviously your choice, and your choice only, but I'm reminded of the Nike slogan: "Just Do It."

    Craig

  • outbutnotdown
    outbutnotdown

    Hey Scoob,

    It's good to hear a little bit of the softer side of you. It's unfortunate that you have to struggle with your sexuality with the dubs but like one person said already, in that religion you will NEVER be able to be openly gay, so as tough as it may be, you are best to keep going, now that you are partly out the door already.

    I certainly don't think that "God" feels the same way that witnesses do about gay people.

    It makes sense now about how you sometimes say some pretty harsh things to people here that disagree with you. You probably have to hold all of your feelings in at the meetings and such, so you need a release. This forum allows you that. It doesn't make it perfectly right but, hey, we're ALL imperfect........ including that religion.

    Good luck and in my humble opinion, since you are gay, if you do want to follow a certain faith in your search for "God", find one that at least accepts you for who you are, including something that I feel you probably can't change.......... being gay.

    Brad

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    scooby,

    You said:

    : I can't stop thinking as a JW does, its part of me.

    Ask yourself, " who made this decision, YOU or the WTS?"

    If you made that decision for yourself, then you are bound by it and the huge chains to the WTS that comes with it.

    However, if the WTS "trained" or even forced you to make that decision, then it that decision was not yours, but theirs forced upon you.

    It might "be a part of you", but your choices can make those chains drop off of you if you so wish. It's up to you. Neither I nor anyone else can make your choices for you.

    The rest of your human life and indeed your own happiness depends upon it.

    Choose wisely.

    Farkel

  • gumby
    gumby

    If your a good human, kind to others, and try to live a decent life........why worry? I remember when the dubs counter argued that at the doors, and teaching that wasn't good enough. Well tough poo poo....cuz it's good enough for me.

    Gumby

  • ohiocowboy
    ohiocowboy

    Hello! I am very sorry for the dilemma that you are going through. Nobody can tell you what do do, the decision will have to be yours. I feel that I would still be in the "Truth", had it not been for my sexuality. I wanted so badly not to be gay, as I really once had a real love for the org. when I was growing up. There was even a time when I went to a group in Minneapolis who's mission was to "Change" gay people to a straight lifestyle. Needless to say, that didn't work, but shows how much I was willing to try. I realized that I could not change the way I was. Even as a small child, before I knew what the word Homosexuality was or meant, something inside of me knew that I was different in that aspect. I suppose that I could have martyred myself and become celibate and stayed in the Org, but imagine the frustration and tension that it would have caused. I cannot fathom anyone being truly celibate, as that would also entail no masturbation and no "Unclean" thoughts, which are also no-no's as far as the Org. is concerned. Short of having a Frontal Lobotomy, and becoming totally zombiefied, it just doesn't work! You have a very tough choice to make-but if you let your heart truly guide you, you will find the answer. Do so at a pace that is comfortable for YOU, as it is your ultimate decision. I will tell you that after finally leaving, I still had a lot of issues regarding guilt, fear and depression. The other night you punched the wall. I assume you used your fist. I used to punch walls too, but unfortunately for me, I used my head-no joke, that is how worthless I felt about myself. PLEASE do not let yourself get to such a point. Take a break, do some soul searching, reach deep inside yourself, and do what YOU need to do. If you decide to leave the org, it doesn't mean that you have to leave behind all of the things that you learned while in the org, ie; some of the good qualities, such as honesty. True, I am no longer in the org. but did retain certain qualities that me a likeable person to a lot of people. After distancing myself from the org. I began to notice that I could actually use my brain, do research, and begin reasoning for myself. That is what we have brains for-they are our own brains, which means we are entitled to do our own reasoning with them! Eventually I found facts-actual facts regarding the org, that could not be denied. Gradually, by soul searching, and mind-searching, I became more and more at ease with myself. But, as anyone I am sure will agree, no matter how many years go by, a person will still have days of questioning, but, they become fewer and far between, and do not seem to have as much a drastic impact on our lives. You will heal in time-granted you will probably have a "scar"-but think about it, is not a scar proof that we had an injury, but were able to still heal from it? It is just a reminder of a past experience, and shows that we are STRONG enough to heal.

    I wish you the best!!!

    CJ

    P.S. Keep in mind, that you have friends here who truly care, and will support you no matter what you decide!!!

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Scooby,

    This is a tough crossroads for you and no one knows your heart and circumstances better than yourself.

    My own feeling is that you will never deal with the vacillation and uncertainty you feel until you undertake an in-depth research of WTS doctrine. The hold that the WTS has on your thinking is all about doctrine. As you research these doctrines, examine their history and assess the accuracy and credibility of them, you will find that your own sensibility will draw you to conclusions that will attend to the emotional distress that you are suffering.

    It does no matter one jot if every JW is a saint or sinner, if the WTS is floating its ship on flawed doctrine then it is not to be trusted in the decision-making processes that direct you life.

    Start your research with the 607BCE-1914 issue. It is upon this basic doctrine that the WTS admits its only authority to own ?belongings? on the earth and to appoint itself as God?s only spokesmen on this planet, actually stands.

    Best regards - HS

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    Fence sitting is tough for JWs. THe fence the WTBS creates for you is like barbed wire. It hurts to sit on it and you are going to get hurt whichever way you jump.

    Whatever you decide, you will need help to heal and you maybe you could consider getting professional help. Unfortunately JWs don't have much to offer in this department.

    I hope that, whatever your decision is, that your healing comes quickly.

  • Sassy
    Sassy

    Have a beer Scooby..

  • Nosferatu
    Nosferatu

    I just thought I'd add something completely off topic to go along with the "punching a hole in the wall" issue.

    When I was with my ex, I had made a home video for her, and gave it to her at Christmas. I kept a copy for myself. When she left, I was so upset, I took my copy of the video and threw it at the wall. The video tape survived, the wall didn't.

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    Scooby,

    You will never be able to love others until you learn to love yourself, "warts" and all.

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