Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing? (page 20)

truthseeker1

The Real Heroes of Telemark also tells the true (as opposed to the movie, starring Kirk Douglas) story of this sabotage against the heavy water plant at Rjukan, destroying Hitler'shope of a nuclear bomb. Bravery, cunning and endurance over and beyond the call of duty on the part of the SOE (a forerunner of SAS) agents parachuted into Norway made this operation, which met with much problems, possible.

From http://www.janeriks.no/Books/Norway_WWII.htm

and

b. Norsk Hydro Raid
Allied efforts to interrupt heavy water production at the Norsk Hydro plant near Rjukan in German-occupied Norway included a failed glider assault by British commandos in November 1942, the destruction of a portion of the plant by an SOE team of Norwegians in February 1943, an Eighth Air Force bombing raid in November 1943 that left the plant largely intact, and a subsequent Norwegian Resistance operation in February 1944 that destroyed a final shipment of heavy water on its way to Germany.
The efforts against Norsk Hydro were loosely the basis for the 1965 movie "The Heroes of Telemark," starring Kirk Douglas and Richard Harris.

From http://intellit.muskingum.edu/wwii_folder/wwiieurope_folder/wwiieurresothern-z.html

as everyone who actually listens to news knows your statement is wrong. i posted the link to prove it. the socialists had said all along they will withdrew the troops. You are entirely missing the point. I am NOT denying that the socialists had claimed they would withdraw troups if elected. The problem is you are making an illogical LEAP. Simply because the majority of people (based on polls) supported the withdrawl of troups pre-election does NOT mean that this issue was the majority decider on who they would vote for. However, as a result of the bombing shortly before the elections, and as a result of the AQ threat that there would be more bombings if Spain didn't withdrawal, it DID become a much bigger deciding factor. You are obviously suggesting that you don't think AQ TIMED the bombings.

Realist

i have to say i never heard of that before...and there are only about 100 links on google about it.

this is one that has a little more details on the story:

http://www.planetmedalofhonor.com/rjukanproject/history/history.html

This marked the end of "The Battle for Heavy Water". It cost 92 soldiers and civilians their lives. The heavy water sabotage is considered one of the longest and most successful secret operations of the Second World War. The fact that the heavy water production was stopped aided in keeping the German nuclear reactor experiments at a manageable level. We know now that there was never an arms race. Better intelligence on the allied part, with more reliable information on how far the German atomic research had developed, could have made the "The Battle for Heavy Water" unnecessary. German plans of a nuclear powered bomb were abandoned in the summer of 1942. From that point, their goal was to produce a reactor ("Uran Maschine"), as a possible power source for submarines. This text is based on documents in Norwegian, found at the site of the Norwegian industrial workers museum

blacksheep

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040314/D81ACT080.html

Highlights:

"The Socialist Party declared victory with 79 percent of the votes counted, as results showed it winning 164 seats in the 350-member parliament and the ruling Popular Party taking 147. The latter had 183 seats in the outgoing legislature...

Until the bombing, the conservative Popular Party was projected by most polls to beat the Socialists, although perhaps without retaining their majority in the 350-seat Congress of Deputies.

But the disaster, which the government initially blamed on the Basque separatist group ETA, threw the election wide open. The attack was followed by emotional rallies across the country...

The political campaign was bitter between Rajoy, 48, a veteran Cabinet minister under Aznar, and Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, 43, a lawyer, member of parliament and the Socialist party's general-secretary.

Before the attacks, polls gave Rajoy's party a 3-5 percentage point lead over the Socialists in the race for the 350-seat Congress of Deputies."

Realist

black,

forties original post was:

the spainards already folded like cheap camera's.

this statement is wrong. 90% of spanish people were against the war on iraq in the first place! furthermore the current government had always stated it will withdrew the troops. therefore by all means one cannot say the spanish folded like whatever. they were against it from the beginning!

yeru had already commented on the possibility that aznar might have won without the bombings...my response to that was:

yeru,
a) i did not claim that the socialists would have won without the bombings.
b) to proof which side would have won without the attacks is an impossibility. after all aznar was very unpolular especially because of the iraq issue. so give it a rest.

this should answer your statement as well.

Yerusalyim

Will we ever get back to the original topic of this post...we have the attention span of gnats around here...

What happened in Iraq with those prisoners is NOTHING at all like what Saddam did...because these idiots will be punished...and the US Army was investigating BEFORE the press got this story.

blacksheep

forties original post was:

the spainards already folded like cheap camera's.

this statement is wrong. 90% of spanish people were against the war on iraq in the first place! furthermore the current government had always stated it will withdrew the troops. therefore by all means one cannot say the spanish folded like whatever. they were against it from the beginning!

And again, you are making a leap of logic. Polls reflected a much closer race before than after the election--in fact the popular party reflected an advantage. That means that however many people opposed the occupation of Iraq, they did not feel so strongly about it as to make it a major voting issue. AFTER the bombing, they obviously felt differently.

I feel that they did cave. Rather than being incensed at the terror and more determined to fight it, they wanted to get out of it altogether. That is there right, but you don't deal with terrorists by giving in.

After having lived in Europe and dealing with a lot of nations and seeiing their culture, their behavior didn't surprise me. Collectively, they are a very emotional people (relative to Northern Europeans), and they respond to things more emotionally, and they tend to change their minds more quickly--their are a bit more mercurial than other European cultures. It's not to say it's right or wrong, but I fully expected them to change their votes to the Socialist party, or to vote when they would not have normally voted based on their highly emotional reactions. It sends a bad message to the terrorists, but that's their call.

The same applies to the US. We need to do what's right for us, as opposed to be so concerned about what others think. 9/11 happend to us, and it's our call as to how we fight terrorism.

blacksheep

CAUTION, GRAPHIC 911 pictures: look at your own risk:

A co-worker just sent this to me--thought it was fitting. THIS is why WE are fighting terrorism and will continue to do so.

One wonders why THESE photos aren't being circulated, but we've got these Iraqi POW photos (taken by who, one can only wonder, and circulated by who) circulated by the media.

AGAIN, CAUTION--graphic

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/wtcjumpers.html