To counter your customary vitriolic hit and run posts, in what way has Simon demonstrated a hatred of America?
Anxiously awaiting your reply...
Dino
he only feels disgust when its caught on tape...
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patio34
I concur, Dino. It seems that since the Bush administration again, any questioning of American policy is "anti-American," and some Americans have forgotten what it means to be in a democracy.
To disagree with what has been going on in the past year is hardly "hating America and Bush," and can not by any stretch of the imagination be compared to the racism displayed in speaking against all Muslims or Arabs.
Perhaps some, like Pork Chop, would rather live in a totalitarian regime where dissent is not tolerated, but that isn't America.
Pat
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Simon
Tell me Pork Chop ... which do you think is more anti-American:
Promoting the racist and anti-Islamic views that will generate more bad feeling against America and likely cause more American deaths
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Questioning policies that have already demonstrated themselves to be flawed, ill conceived and poorly executed.
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C'mon you 'big patriot' ... enlighten us.
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roybatty
I just love how an isolated incident has made all these Muslims argry but the building of schools, hospitals and such haven't been given much (if any) air time.
All of it just reminds me so much of the Watchtower's bassing of the other religions.
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Left_Field
Haven't we learnt anything from what the Nazis DID WRONG? What about the Bosnian ethnic cleansing? What about Iraq's ethnic cleansing? We can go through the 70's for more...
Ohh my - so much history, so little learnt. Wish I could teach you about ethnic cleansing. Oh, let's try something....
Paint a picture. Your town decides that your family's genetics are poison. They then decide that you must all be wiped out. Your blood line ends with your generation. How would you feel, react?
Forget politics, just try to capture that scenario and let it overwhelm you. Your children, your brothers and sisters, nephews and neices, your parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts and while they are at it they will take out your wifes family line too... they don't care how far it goes... they hate you... hate has no logic or understanding. When you have that fear rip through your mind transfer that to a race of people not just a couple dozen members living in a narrow minded, disfunctional community. Nice picture... we can relate that to the American Revolution. The only battle fought on american soil spilling american blood. That blood cleansed the country of many wrong-doings. Have you forgotten already? Did all those brave men and women die for no reason? So that racism can take a hold of it's people? FREEDOM and THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE!! I don't see anything there in the constitution that gives you the right to condemn anyone.
Racism should be made unlawful with prison time attached to it. Ignorance is not accepted in a court of law as an argument.
Racism is based on ignorance and stupidity.
Think about what you are saying -- you are talking about innocent people who are on the wrong side of a line drawn by politics. Is that fare?
LF
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Pork Chop
Dino obviously you've never read one thread on this board other than this one. Simon has demonstrated repeatedly that he despises America and Americans. Any calumny is accepted as long as it is anti-American. You'd have to look very hard to find one instance in which he's gotten on his moralistic high horse in defense of anything the US does. While he regularly comes to the defense of the terrorist scum that started all this in the first place. He's a complete hypocrit.
Patio I'm all for dissent, this isn't dissent. This is bigotry.
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SixofNine
Simon has demonstrated repeatedly that he despises America and Americans.
Oh horseshit. He may despise stupid, arrogant, rightwing, can't-play-well-with-the-rest-of-the-world Americans, but then so do I.
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Left_Field
--- terrorist scum that started all this in the first place
You want to start reading history before you go claiming who started what. I am completely against terrorism but you need to look at the political history of the U.S to start seeing a picture of why there is hatred towards them from certain corners of the planet.
The "scum" as you call it didn't have weapons until they were sold to them. The "scum" as you call them didn't have high level military experience until they were trained. The CIA were instrumental if not at the head of many tactical manoevers into placing some of the "tyrants" of today into power. Read your history before you start accusing who started what.
The truth was painfully made public only after 9/11 and the public are ashamed of much of what their government agencies did in the name of power and control. We should look at finding resolution for the damage that was done both inside the U.S and abroad.
LF
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myauntfanny
Simon has demonstrated repeatedly that he despises America and Americans.
That's nonsense. Disagreeing with the American government's foreign policy is not hating America. Or are you saying that everybody who protested the VietNam war also hated America? Now Robert McNamara himself says it was a stupid, ill-conceived, misinformed war, so does he hate America? The great advantage of being in a democracy is that you have some say in your government's policy (in theory). So people who criticise the government when they think it is wrong are supporting democracy, and isn't that supposed to be our main goal?
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roybatty
So people who criticise the government when they think it is wrong are supporting democracy, and isn't that supposed to be our main goal?
The "problem" I have is the fact that many people will only consider one side of the argument. You think America shouldn't be in Iraq, cool, no problem but don't deny that at least SOME parts of Iraq are doing better. Yes, it's a war and war is ugly. Bush, the US military, international toops are not perfect and mistakes will be made. I'm more interested in how the mistakes happened and what's being done to correct them.
I also roll my eyes back when I see one set of standards for America and another for differnt nations. Simon brings up some excellent points when bashing America's invasion of Iraq but he's quiet when the topic of Britain's 30 year military occupation of Northern Ireland. Want to immediately post a topic about SOME sickos abusing Iraqi prisoners? Fine. Bring it up. But also address the same issues within your own country. Again, it's the JW factor. The Watchtower will splash across their cover some anti-Catholic message but never will you read a single article about Catholic Charities.
The whole approach leaves little room for discussing a topic and instead leads to endless cycles of non-productive arguments. But truth be told, I enjoy both. lol.