Y'all just keep talking. Every word demonstrates the truth of my remarks.
he only feels disgust when its caught on tape...
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Simon
Erm ... I don't have two sets of standards - I believe I was the first to post the details of the BRITISH soldiers abusing prisoners.
The british occupation of N.I. is not exactly *current affairs* at the moment though is it? If you want to be critical of it though, be my guest.
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roybatty
The british occupation of N.I. is not exactly *current affairs* at the moment though is it? If you want to be critical of it though, be my guest.
The reason it isn't *current afairs* is because it's been on going for some 30 plus years. Perhaps its just human nature to point the finger at another country. I bet you this much, US troops will be out of Iraq long before British troops are out of Northern Ireland. Bush is being painted as this moron and Iraq as this huge mess. All I'm saying is if 30,000 British troops can't settle the troubles with the IRA in Northern Ireland (a country where they speak the same language as the natives), at least cut the US SOME slack as 140,000 troops try to rebuild a country of 40 million people who's whole culture is differnt. Europeans love to bitch about the US detaining "terrorists" down in Cuba or this current abuse case in Iraq but when it comes to affairs in their own backyard, nothing is said. My personal feeling about Iraq is that the US military will not solve all the problems there. They need to get out and let things be settled politically.
BTW, your post about British troops abuses. Was that against Iraqis or Catholics in Northern Ireland? I must have missed it.
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Dino
Your broad unthinking generalizations and intolerance show you to be a penultimate bigot.
In addition, you didnt answer any questions put to you.
Nice.
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Pork Chop
Corresponding with you brings new meaning to "casting pearls before swine."
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blacksheep
I hate this. But God only knows what is going on with the folks caught in Guantanemo Bay. This is so disgusting, abusive, and traitorous. I will never vote for this man again: Bush Feels 'Disgust' at Abuse of Iraqis What ARE you blathering about? Oh, so now you think your omnicient--you can get inside of Bush's (and everyone's head) to see their "true thoughts and intentions." Yes, we all can see the HORROR that Bush's expression of "disgust" at abusive acts upon Iraqis. Yep, that would do it for me too...I'm never voting for a man who says he's disgusted with abusive acts again. Or a woman either for that matter. Wild Wild Left is getting more desperate by the minute.
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Pork Chop
The detainees that have left Gitmo have said universally good things about what happened there. Course we don't let little facts like that interfere with the rhetoric do we?
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shamus
Just think about the 3000 who died horrible deaths in the World trade Center
So america is allowed to kill tens of thousands of Iraqi's who have weapons of mass destruction.... c'mon. You're talking about apples, we're talking about oranges.
How could a government allow this kind of horrendous treatment of prisoners? If your name is Saddam Hussein you get your ass kicked out of power. If your name is george dubulya then you just brush it of.....
It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see the double standards here.
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ThiChi
Pork Chop, you make some very powerful points.
I, In fact, posted the topic about the alleged British Solders atrocities.
This story about Bush is way out of context. Bush did not call a meeting in the Rose Garden to express outrage about what happened in Iraq, Bush was with the Prime Minister of Canada, and the question was asked him as a side bar to that event. See the difference?
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Michael3000
Of course your hatred for America and for Bush is excepted.
And here you have a classic example of Neo-Conservative argumentation style: if you react to the US government's abuse of power, you are automatically labeled as "anti-American". 19 & 20-year-olds overdeployed in a an illegal, immoral "war" start to go nuts after a while. The actions at Abu Ghraib were most likely not carried out under direct orders, but since there have been reports of "breakdowns in the chain of command for the last 5 months", this leads to an environment of "anything goes" when it comes to the treatment of these prisoners. Democrats are now calling for Donald Rumsfeld's resignation. Of course, today Mr. Rumsfeld is laying low...
For more, click the link or read below:
http://www.airamericaradio.com/bin/blogExcerpts.cfm?blogId=1&prg=3
BUSH ON ARAB TV: LYING LIAR LIES AGAINThe story of Abu Ghraib is looking worse and worse.
In an attempt to turn around this blossoming human rights and PR disaster, President Bush gave interviews yesterday to Arab news channels Al Hurra and Al Arabiya .
This might have been a good piece of damage control, except that Bush forgot to apologize -- and scattered a pile of lies and howlers throughout his comments.
Let's look at some choice bits from the transcripts.
BUSH: It's also important for the people of Iraq to know that in a democracy, everything is not perfect, that mistakes are made. But in a democracy, as well, those mistakes will be investigated and people will be brought to justice. We're an open society.
Quite a thoughtful reference to America?s open society. This was something we enjoyed, of course, before the Bush administration?s blizzard of actions designed to completely stop information about the government from reaching the American people.
You may recall:
The convening of the secret energy taskforce .
The reappearance of secret tribunals .
And, of course, the hiding of presidential papers from historians.
In the course of the interview with Al Hurra, Bush also trumpeted America's admirable criminal justice system.
BUSH: And in our system of law, it's essential that those criminal charges go forward without prejudice. In other words, people need to be -- are treated innocent until proven guilty. And facts are now being gathered.
But ?innocent until proven guilty? is a sensitive phrase to throw around right now. The Iraqi prisoners of Abu Ghraib ? many of whom were accused of common, non-insurgency related crimes ? were incarcerated, beaten, and otherwise tortured without the slightest whiff of due process.
Bush then addressed the fact that Iraqis getting involved in the defense forces increasingly seem to have ties to the Saddam Hussein regime.
Q: So there is no reversal in policy of de-Baathification?
BUSH: Oh, no.
Oh, yes. Oh, very yes. There's even a new buzzword for it: " re-Baathification ."
And while we're on the topic of irresponsible men with guns, Bush singled out Iraqi militias for a stern dressing down.
BUSH: Militias are people who are willing to kill, intimidate and try to take matters into their own hands, which is not the way democracy functions. Free societies do not allow thugs to roam streets and hold people hostage to their whims.
Bush makes a good point about militias. But it?s unfortunate that the reporter didn?t follow up by asking about Ahmed Chalabi?s US-trained and equipped militia , the Free Iraqi Forces. They've even shot at US troops -- but, you know, it was "friendly fire."
You may remember Mr. Chalabi from previous stories: He?s the puckish trickster who embezzled millions of dollars from Jordan, provided false information about weapons of mass destruction and ?- just this week -? cozied up to some nasty elements within the Iranian government.
Finally, Bush talks about his restraint when it comes to committing US troops to battle.
If you study the lead-up to the Iraq war -- a process that started well before Sept. 11, if any of a number of Bush administration sources are to be believed -- you'll realize this just isn't true . The military option was pre-determined. In summary: Another dishonest tour-de-force by President Bush, who was either lying all over the place -- or completely in the dark as to what's actually going on. It's tough to say which is scarier. J.R. NortonPosted 05.06.2004 ยท Comments (166)BUSH: No, I think it's -- first of all, you've got to understand, sir, that military options are always my last option, not the first option, and that we can promote freedom without use of military.