I told my mom I will never be a witness again.

by sandy 24 Replies latest jw experiences

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  sandy

  I posted this on my other thread titled "Im Scurred" Here is the conversation. (some of it word for word)

  My Mom: "Have you prayed?"

  Me: No

  Mom: "Don't feel guilty about praying. I know we're not going to meetings so we feel guilty about it but you can pray."

  Me: "I don't feel guilty. ....PAUSE......... "Mom I do not think I'll ever be a witness again."

  Mom: "Why?" she asked this in a worried and kind of scared tone.

  Me: "I do not believe the Organization is the absolute truth. There is too much hypocrisy in Religion including the JWs."

  I went on to explain to her about the Child abuse scandals and I included my own case. I told her how I thought it was wrong the way the Elders handled my case. In short they DF'd my father for over-drinking not molesting me. They made that clear to my father too. He hid the sin for at least 18 years. He confessed only after I told on him.

  My mother started to babble on how he was about to be DF'd anyways for drinking too much so when the "secret" came out they Df'd him. She said this like she was defending the Elders.

  Me: "Mom, I always wondered why they DF'd my dad for drinking and not abusing me. I could never figure it out, why they had to make that clear that it wasn't for child molestation. Now I believe they handled it that way in order to hide the fact that he abused me.

  They used his drinking as an excuse. The elders are more concerned about not sullying God's name and that is why they hide these types of cases. They betrayed me and many others by not taking the appropriate action. Many others this has happened to, in their cases, they do not report it or even believe the children because they do not have two eye-witnesses.

  This scandal and cover-up reminds me of the account in the bible that talks about people burning their children in the fire in sacrafice to God. And Jehovah said something like: 'a command that never even came up into my heart.' (Can somebody tell me where that account is in the bible. I couldn?t find it and I want to read it again)

  She said to me the "elders are human" you cannot follow them.

  I said: "I know that but they are following rules that are made up by the FDS who are only human too. If I question any of them I will be labeled as apostate." (Now I am skipping some parts of the conversation)

  She went on to say that Satan is planting these doubts in my head he doesn?t want me to be close to Jehovah. Blah, blah blah......

  Then she said: "I used to have doubts too. But it is only Satan."

  I told her about the UN scandal and at first she thought I was talking about something a long time ago and she started using the "Light gets brighter" speech, using examples like, we used to celebrate Christmas, Birthdays and so on.

  I said no Mom, this is recent from 1991 (or 92') to 2001. This finally got her attention.

  She said "I never heard about that I want to see the website." (Some where in the conversation I told her I have been thinking about talking to the elders about certain things.) So she said "I want to be there if you talk to the elders, I?d like to here what they have to say."

  I know I must have got through to her about the child abuse (that is a very touchy subject for her but deep down she knows right from wrong) and the UN thing she is definitely curious about.

  Gotta go I?ll finish later. (There isn?t much more)
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  sandy

  Just a little while ago my Mom asked me to show her the website where I saw the information on the UN scandal.

  It hasn't fully registered in her head that the information is actually on the UN site. She was telling me "people are always posting lies on the internet. You cannot believe everything you read there."

  Duh!!! Mom it is actually on the Official Website of the UN. She want me to print a copy of it out for her. I tried but something is wrong with our acrobat reader I believe.

  Can or Will somebody post a link or copy of the letter here. Maybe I can print it out under a different program. I'm not very smart about computers. Thanks.
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  SixofNine
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  SixofNine

  Congrats Sandy, sounds like progress. Here is the text from above:

  4 March 2004

  To Whom It May Concern,

  Recently the NGO Section has been receiving numerous inquiries regarding the

  association of the

  Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York with the

  Department of Public Information (DPI). This organization applied for association with

  DPI in 1991 and was granted association in 1992. By accepting association with DPI, the

  organization agreed to meet criteria for association, including support and respect of the

  principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct

  effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about

  UN activities.

  In October 2001, the Main Representative of the

  Watchtower Bible and Tract

  Society of New York

  to the United Nations, Giro Aulicino, requested termination of its

  association with DPI. Following this request, the DPI made a decision to disassociate the

  Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York

  as of 9 October 2001.

  Please be informed that it is the policy of the Department of Public Information of

  the United Nations to keep correspondence between the United Nations and NGOs

  associated with DPI confidential. However, please see below the paragraph included in

  all letters sent to NGOs approved for association in 1992:

  "The principal purpose of association of non-governmental organizations with the

  United Nations Department of Public Information is the redissemination of information

  in order to increase public understanding of the principles, activities and achievements of

  the United Nations and its Agencies. Consequently, it is important that you should keep

  us informed about your organization's information programme as it relates to the United

  Nations, including sending us issues of your relevant publications. We are enclosing a

  brochure on the "The United Nations and Non-Governmental Organizations", which will

  give you some information regarding the NGO relationship."

  In addition, the criteria for NGOs to become associated with DPI include the

  following:

  ?

  that the NGO share the principles of the UN Charter;

  ?

  operate solely on a not-for-profit basis;

  ?

  have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to

  reach large or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives,

  policy makers and the business community;

  ?

  have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes

  about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins and pamphlets,

  organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting the cooperation

  of the media.

  We expect that you will share this information with your concerned colleagues, as

  we are unable to address the scores of duplicate requests regarding the Watchtower Bible

  and Tract Society that are being directed to our offices. Thank you for your interest in the

  work of the United Nations.

  Sincerely,

  Paul Hoeffel

  Chief

  NGO Section

  Department of Public Information
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  sandy

  Thanks sixofnine.

  I know the child abuse cover-up scandal is eating at her too. She is just to sensitive when it come to that subject. It brings up her own issues that she keeps buried.
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  Sassy

  wow Sandy.. I know this can't be an easy subject to talk to your mom about.. plus you have the anxiety of your surgery too..

  I hope the letter from the UN helps her understand your doubts..
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  run dont walk

  Sandy, WOW !!!!!!!!!!!

  thanks for the letter six of nine
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  Corvin

  Sandy, it sort of reminds one of trying to chip away at a stone wall. I know what you are going through. Don't give up.

  Corvin
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  boa

  hello sandy....

  The UN 'scandal' can be an important sign for thinking jws to wake up and smell the coffee about their religion.....this initial foray into the true nature of the activities of the hierarchy in brooklyn will lead to the mountain of other evidence if the mind is somewhat open.

  These are the links I have used for some of my relatives and friends so that they can get the information about the UN without going to 'apostate' websites.......

  this first link is a 'how to' so skeptical jws (most of them lol) can see they ARE actually going to the UNs website. (I actually uploaded this first link to wifee's website so that even it was not possible for the receiver to end up at sassquatch (not that there's anything wrong about that for me lol))

  http://www.sassquatch.com/SYN/UN_NGO_Letter/

  This next one shows what was required to be a NGO associated to the UN. The correct terms of what the wts and NGO's were, is important because they WERE NOT a 'member' of the UN.

  http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/brochure.htm

  This next one gives actual 'proof' from the UN, in one case of an article by the wts that they complied with the requirements of being an NGO. There is much more 'proof' in addition to this. It is easy to see the wts awake article.....its the second one on the list.

  http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/materials/articles.htm

  This next link is to the original article that broke the 'secret' association to the UN. This is an online newspaper in the UK.

  http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,565005,00.html

  If you get this far with the conversation and the mind is still open yet there are some doubts due to the Society's only official response being basically, 'we did it for the library card......and....besides when it was brought to our attention that 'certain' (unamed) things we can no longer agree with, we immediately withdrew from our association to the UN as a NGO',.....then,.....the next link is a fairly comprehensive jw apologist response which will contain the basic drivel above (about the main reason they become one and the main claimed reason they left association with UN) with an excellent rebuttal (imo) being the last link.

  http://hector3000.future.easyspace.com/ngo.htm

  The rebuttal to the above jw apologist is the next link.....

  http://www.randytv.com/secret/unrebut.htm

  Bottom line is apparently the wts's pants are on fire.......but what else is new....

  The following link contains many more examples of wts articles written about the UN in recent while an NGO associated with the UN....

  http://www.randytv.com/secret/unsupport.htm

  Hope this helps sandy

  boa....
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  sandy

  boa, thank you so much. All this will help. I will print it all out for my momsy.

  I told her I will show her the UN link but I do not want to discuss it with anyone right now.

  She keeps on insisting that I should talk to the elders. I pointed out to her (as she did to me) "The Elders are only human, we can not follow them"

  I also (the other day) said to her: "It is my decision (to be a witness) if I choose to be a witness or not." She said "I know but you should at least talk to the elders before you decide not to."

  I believe this is when she told me she wanted to be there when or if I do talk to them.

  Sassy, I wasn't worried about my mom's reation to it all, I knew she wouldn't get emotional.

  She was just giving me the standard responses just like a well trained JW but obviously, my words were effecting her.

  So we'll see how this all unfolds after my surgery. Sassy you are right it is too much pressure to deal with before.

  I decided to tell my mom, only because I didn't want her to be surprised when I have no objection to a blood transfusion (if absolutely needed) when the surgeon talked about it.