What's the point of it all?

by Puternut 26 Replies latest jw friends

  • Ex Dub MS
    Ex Dub MS

    I've scarcely been here for a week...so I'm still trying to figure out why I'm here.

    I'm not really interested in hearing 'WTS will come crashing to its knees' because folks may wish it so. They're not going anywhere. Frankly, there are far bigger evils in this word to rail against than some little bitty religion and their set of beliefs. If that's what they do, that's what they do. On the other hand, people who choose to leave aren't going to dry up and blow away either...much as some spiteful individuals amongst them may wish.

    I do enjoy talking to reasonable people who are looking for fellowship outside of their former religion, though. So far, so good.

  • El blanko
    El blanko

    A bit of wrestling over spiritual issues can be niiice

    Trying to make sense of exiting a very rigid environment?

    Meeting interesting people and learning from such ones.

    I have been visiting this board for nearly 4 years, yet only signed up recently.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    So you're asking "what really is the best way of life?"?

    Six ~ Question Mark question mark

  • gespro
    gespro

    Yes Puter it's been a rough one...

    There arwe some days I feel I've conquered the nonsense this cult has put us through but, the, WHAM! I'm back to my confused, angered state. I'd say thisboard helps me to regain the perspective I've been without most of my life.

    I am still amazed by the varying personalities on this board. Some aggravate me and some soothe me. I'm learning about the reality part of life that went missing in the 'idealogical' life my mother fooled me into believing in. No one else on this earth can truely understand us except those who have lived through it. I'm seeing some real healing that can come only from a Discussion board like this one.

    Last night was rough for me. I paced the driveway at 3AM, looked up and saw that the moon was (I guess) full. Figures! When it's around that time, I usually get a bit stir crazy. So, maybe this might have an unseen effect on the majority of us, you included. I have seen it happen to others...

    Take care and hang in there. It gets better.

    g

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    Well Puternut, what you have gone through and are still going through are dificult times. Most people experience difficult times in their lives. However OUR times are different, in that we lose so many things all at once and it is due to our decision to leave a cult that we had full trust in and depended on and they are the source of our feeling as we do.

    We lose our identity and feel lost. But then, we really don't want it back. We lost our belief that we are loveable and acceptable. But we don't want it back under the old terms.

    The cults actions towards us are carefully designed to create chaos, grief, sadness, anger, guilt. Actually every emotion positive and negative is triggered. If we dare to question the cult. We are dealing with this, while trying to build a new identity and reassure ourselvs that we are loveable and acceptable.

    On top of all this is created a nagging question of "am I right", "is there something wrong with me"?

    Even though we have enough evidence to say " I am right" and there is "nothing wrong with me" a Part of our mind "well trained by the cult" quietly asks that question over and over again.

    It takes time. Less for some and more for some. Depending on many things. I have been free of the cult for 13 yrs. now and there are still some unwanted doubts that trickle through my mind and I have to stamp them out.

    You and I have lost relatives and children. This is due to their choices of actions. IT IS NOT OUR FAULT AND WE DID NOT CAUSE IT. It is the choice THEY decided on. But the cult and those shunning us, deny thIs and refuse to take responsibility for their choices or recognize how they are hurting us. The cult has taught them that this is the loving thing to do and THAT IT IS GODS WISH.

    All this is a result of the cults hold on them and maybe due to their own personalities to some degree.

    I finally had to "accept the choices of those that shun me" give them the right in my mind to do this. For me this also required NEVER PURSUING them. I don't believe this should be used with small children or teens, not yet adults.

    We have obligations and rights there and we should fulfill them. In this area, we need to be tough and heavy handed if needed. Use the courts and look out for YOURSELF and the CHIILDREN. Don't hesitate or be kind to those who oppose you. They seldom will be kind or considerate of you. However if they are kind and considerate, show the same to them.

    All of this takes time to get over and get past. During this time we need to cultivate new friends and new lives for ourselves. This takes time.

    All of this takes time and we need to accept that also. We didn't get in this state of affairs over night and it won't go away over night.

    I remained single for 5 yrs and felt that was needed to get my head on straight. In stress filled times we humans seem to rush into situations, as we try to find love and acceptance.

    No wonder you feel as you do my friend! This is life changing, in a big way you are going through.

    The old Puternut is fading away and the new REAL Puternut is starting to take shape. This will be the Purernut with true self respect. Loveable and acceptable and at peace with himself and most of the world. Happy and free of self imposed guilt induced in the cult. It all gets better from here on.

    Now when you read this, you will realize that you already knew all this, didn't you.

    Best wishes to you and your children Outoftheorg

  • Puternut
    Puternut

    Codeblue,

    I know we have talked so you know what I am talking about. When we were in the borg we had a 'certain' direction. Now what we are out, we have to figure it out on our own. That's were I am now. Not knowing where to go from here.

    Big Tex,

    I have validation also. As to where I came from with the borg. Now that I have a better perspective on the borg, I know where not to be. But I don't know where to be as of yet either.

    Franklin J,

    You're a good man. You always have nice things to say. And I value your imput since you've been out a while. You have rebuild, and no doubt it took sweat and tears to accomplish that. I am just not there yet......

    Lyineyes,

    I have made some really good friends as well. But I only have met a few of them in real life. I am just rebuilding right now, so I know it takes time.

    Snapdragon,

    No I am not looking for advice....lol. Just feeling out others to see why they are here and what they are getting out of posting here. You asked me about my spirituality. I have none. I have lost all hope in any organized religion. I don't even know if there is a God/ess. I have been betrayed by the borg and now will not accept anything spiritual. It hurts too much. Am I alone? Yes very much so.... No friends other than the ones here. All my family are dubs.

    Sixofnine,

    Not really asking what is the best way of life. I was just wondering if many that post here are getting what they are looking for. I read many posts, and see how others cope. And we all relate. And we all know it takes time. But I was wondering what hurdles others have overcome.

    Gespro,

    It seems we are alike. There are days and there are days. One day you think you have some answers to your troubles. And the next day, one wonders, what the hell am I doing. Or were do I go from here. Perhaps it's the moon faze or not, I don't know

    Puternut

  • Puternut
    Puternut

    outoftheborg,

    You make some good points. It's about lost identity, I am still de-culting. There are some nagging things hanging in my head that haunt me. I know I have to unthink the borg's thinking. But I was in it for 26 years, and at times still think like a dub. It's amazing how powerful that thinking has saturated my mind. I am not one to attack the borg, but I have some very deep anger in me, that kicks me at times.

    I have been married for 25 years, and had two girls with me. Now that is all gone, overnight...poof. So thanks for understanding where I am coming from. Did I already know this? Actually somewhat, but forgot to remind myself of it. Thanks for telling me this again. Point well taken.

    Puternut

  • Puternut
    Puternut

    I am not depressed today. I am just having a reflective day. I am deep in thought, and have some questions, that I don't even know how to ask. I am a typical man that want's to 'fix' things. And sometimes I am impatient with myself for not being able to come up with answers.

    Over the course of time I have had to surpress so many feelings and questions, they are starting to require some attention.

    Puternut

  • Strawberryfieldsforever
    Strawberryfieldsforever

    Puter,

    I am so sorry for the pain you're going through...but...I do have to admit that you've come a long way already. You've gained many tools from this site to use in your life. You've listened and commented to others in deep pain..and yes...helped them. We try to help you too...it's all we can do. No, it won't bring your daughters back, but we can all help to fill this huge void in your life...just keep giving us the chance to do that. When you post here, it shows me that you really want us to help you..do we?

    As to why I post here? It's to keep healing and watching people like you grow stronger and going on with life. It keeps me going too. I also feel close to many of you here. I can come on this board and tell you all whats bothering me and know that I will always get a response from someone somewhere out there who has their computer on anywhere in the world. What a great feeling.....

    Strawberryfieldsforever

  • Puternut
    Puternut

    Strawberry,

    When you post here, it shows me that you really want us to help you..do we?

    Yes I do want the help. I need to draw on the personal experiences of many. But sometimes I am a little fearful that most don't want to read what I have to say. That perhaps is stemming from the borg. When people with 'problems' moved in the congregation, no too many wanted to help or hear about their problems. And so it was left for the elders to deal with them. I have given so much while I was an elder, and never took much. I am realizing it's ok for me to ask for a helping hand now. Maybe it was a guy thing or pride. But screw that logic, it doesn't work. So now I am starting to feel comfortable with many of you here that have helped me. And my PM box is full of good people sending encouragement my way.

    Thank you all for doing that. I hope to return the favor someday.

    Puternut

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