by Junction-Guy 40 Replies latest jw friends
And for the defending part I knew that it was useless from the beginning, but my believe is stronger now then ever that I have the truth after reading this: Isaiah 9:17
When that time comes, hold onto it - ...... his hand is stretched out still.
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Junction,
Follow Jesus' lead - upturn the tables in their temple (and a synagogue at a time).
Everytime the issue of brainwashing comes up, I am amazed at the instant denial of a witness. From their response, it is clear they know nothing about the subject other than what the FDS has spoon fed them. This thread is no exception. Whatever the definition of a "strong mind" is, it has nothing to do with who is succeptable to brainwashing and who isn't. Doubt me? Try investigating a good psychology text on the subject and read of the studies done since the second WW an see how the techniques of brainwashing have become extremely subtle since its first use against POWs. Then look at the whole subject of propaganda. Understand it. Then honestly look at the societies constant controling systems of what the rank and file can do, read, watch or participate in. It is almost text book!
The next time a JW claims they have the freedom to do, see read and associate as they please, ask them about Ray Franz and thousands of others that have been df'd for "bad association", "apostate thinking" smoking, for God's sake. Where in the bible is smoking a sin punishable by banishment?
If the witnesses were truely motivated by love, rather than fear, guilt and crass materialism (living forever in yours or my home) there would be no need of coersion, guilt trips by family members and other JWs, or DFing or "marking".
carmel of the steamed up class
Junction-guy,
I understand your frustration, it can be normal and even expected to feel this way when hearing JW?s try and defend the Watchtower Society, as well as their "own" religious convictions. In time however, this feeling will diminish.
I don?t know where you are in the process of disassociating yourself from the Watchtower Society (mentally, emotionally, etc.). But when the day comes you finally realize you are right (and, on all levels) and the Jehovah?s Witness is wrong, you will at that point find yourself not getting upset at all when hearing their silly rhetoric. When you come to fully grasp this reality, you will have no emotional attachment when listening to JW?s "protect" their belief system. It?s almost like being insulted by someone who is obviously mentally handicapped in some way. How can you really get upset or angry with such a person? You feel bad for them, that?s all. You must consider the source, ya know? Just give it time. Personally, I find it entertaining now when I hear some JW posturing their Watchtower rhetoric. It?s often even comical to me. The only time I take it seriously is when I see one trying to proselytize some unsuspecting victim. Then, I jump in with both feet and there?s no kidding around at that point. But otherwise, on a forum such as this? Nah. Any genuine JW coming to such a website as this and spouting JW "beliefs", is either not even a JW at all (a strange phenomenon) or they are questioning the Society and may not even realize it yet.
My mother is still held captive by the Watchtower Society and all its "ideologies". I used to get upset when she wouldn?t even talk to me or if she would she would come off so elitist and pious. But years ago I came to understand that the child can grow wiser and smarter than the parent can. For many years now, I have understood that I am now the parent, the wiser one, and my mother is acting as the child. Now, I can?t reach her because she is too far under the mind control of the Watchtower Society. That's just the way it is. It can be very difficult if not impossible for the child (regardless of age, I am now forty-eight) to ?instruct? the parent simply because of the way the relationship has naturally developed from the beginning. But honestly, I could care less now if she is a Jehovah?s? Witness, or a Buddhist or a Muslim or whatever. I am that detached from it. If your parents are JW?s and you have left the group, then this process of knowing you are right and they are wrong will take some time. But ultimately you will get there.
Please feel free to share your frustrations here on this forum. I have been frequenting this board for a few years now and places like this are a great source of comfort and even inspiration for the former or struggling (questioning) JW.
There are few bonds that create a closer relationship and kindredness of spirit like that for former JW?s. I?m sure this is true for other former cult members of other various groups as well.
Steve
First I'm a Troll and now I'm mentally handicapped?
What the hell is the problem with you people it looks like from al your reactions you are all feeling threatenth by a 22 year old
Watch out I'm a dangarous mentally handicapped brainwashed Troll, and I will come and eat you and vomit my silly rhetoric and vile propaganda on you......come on people.....WAKE UP!!
{{..satisfaction is to go to brooklyn and picket or something. do others feel this way? I know its not healthy but I need to vent my anger someway]] Been there done that: http://dannyhaszard.com/posters.htm The best way to "get" them is in cyberland just like your doing....Want more? Get some bumper stickers. http://dannyhaszard.com/stickers.htm You/Me,"In their face in cyberspace" WE ARE NOT ALONE!
Cloud Strife:
Yeah whatever "District overseer" this discusion is pointless we will never come to an understanding........so bye now.........mail me if u want to say something I will not return here on this forum.
And yet..................here you are again......what do the JW's say about liars?
I changed my mind, and we got a word for people like you, they are called mieren neukers.
Of course you changed your mind....why leave when you are having so much fun....
exactly
