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Please keep replies intelligent, honest, topical, and free of slander against me. Debate the topic, not the person who brought it up.Sources for all my facts can be found at the bottom, they are labeled according to subject.
That having been said...
Many of you might remember that I started a thread on the day the video was released noting how "convenient" it was that the tape had come out, just as the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal was in full swing. Not only did this take the abuse scandal off of headlines, but it swayed public opinion back against "those ****ing Iraqis".
Evidence
1) Most people replied by asserting that the execution occured as retribution to the abuse photos that had surfaced, but you have to ask yourself - do these terrorists, who are clearly capable of brainwashing people to the point where they are willing to kill and be killed for their beliefs, really have no concept of political tact? Here they are, the whole world screaming at the US for hypocrisy and injustice over these pictures, and they perform and publish this execution right in the heat of the scandal. In other words, these masters of brainwashing and spin and deception release a video of a despicable act just as the US, their sworn enemy, is being globally grilled. Does this make sense to you?
2) Second, I wonder what the standard issue chair is at Abu Ghraib prison?
*cough*
3) Is it not interesting that the wall colour at Abu Ghraib prison is identical to that of the video?
4) Is it not also interesting that Berg is wearing the same orange jumpsuit worn by prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison? Sure, you say, perhaps he was kidnapped directly from the prison (as stupid as this sounds, anyway) - but then can you please explain (7)?
5) Is it also not interesting that the timecodes in the video jump back and forth?
6) Is it also not interesting that Berg did not exhibit any of the convulsions that typically accompany decapitation? http://www.ahsc.arizona.edu/uac/iacuc/rodents/avma.htm I am suggesting here that Berg was already dead when the decapitation occured (which accounts for 5). Before you go calling me crazy, please review the evidence; why did he not exhibit the convulsions that go hand in hand with decapitation (especially such an extended one)?
7) Is it not curious that the US denies contact with Berg, and yet his friends and family insist that he told them he was being held by the US? Huh? Why?
8) Another tape oddity - the men SPEAK RUSSIAN for several seconds. Not only that, but they speak Arabic with Russian accents. That's right, in the final seconds of the tape, one of the men speaks in Russian. Those here who understand russian (and have the stomach to view that final seconds of the video) can verify this. Those who speak Arabic will be able to verify that these men speak Arabic in Russian accents.
9) Finally (the physical evidence that will convince you in case you already aren't)...
You will notice, in watching the video, that 6 times, a gold ring flashes on the hand of the executioner. What is the problem? Islam completely and utterly forbids men to wear gold rings. This fanatical muslim, willing to kill in a gutwrenching manner, and be killed for his beliefs, is violating one of the clear prohibitions of his religion? Really? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?
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Two more points:
10) Nick Berg understands Arabic, but sits calmy while statement is read, waiting to be killed. Hmm?
11) One of the executioners is wearing Air Jordans. WHAT?
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12) The "terrorists" signed the video, yet they wear hoods and masks. Why?
13) The "terrorists" have lily white hands.
14) The video time is in US Military English. What the hell?
Conclusion
As many has suspected, but have not had the time to build a solid case for, the execution of Nick Berg was performed by coalition interests (most likely independent Russian mercenaries) in order to dwarf the abuse pictures and sway public opinion back against the Iraqis and in support of the war by taking advantage of the emotional reaction we all experience when hearing of such an despicable act. The poor production quality (all the "curiosities" I have pointed out) of this video can be attributed to the haste in which it was made after the order was given to distract the public from the abuse scandal, and is in line with my conclusion.
Again, before you attack my conclusion, attack my evidence. No matter how crazy you think this sounds, examine the evidence objectively and please try to deny a single thing I have said. If you cannot deny my evidence, you logically cannot deny my conclusion. Make your replies free of subjective opinions and ad hominem attacks or I will not reply to them.
Sources:
Chair, wall, timecode, and :
http://www.libertyforum.org/showfla...=-1#Post1469025
http://www.news24houston.com/conten...906&SecID=2
Berg was in US custody:
nn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/13/berg.friends/index.html" target=_blank>http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORL...ends/index.html
(you'll have to copy & paste this one since genmay blocks cnn links as you know)
Gold rings forbidden by Islam:
http://www.khilafah.com/home/catego...529&TagID=2
http://www.google.com/search?q=gold...-8&oe=utf-8
The execution video can be seen here (warning, extremely graphic): http://temp.eyecannon.com/iraq2vediom.wmv
While his conclusions are a little....well, quite a jump from the available 'evidence' - surely, it does appear suspicous.
And....
Looking back over the video I really can't see Berg making any convulsive movements and there was no blood spraying or splurting; just dripping into a pool on the floor and around his neck.
Odd, no? I mean, major arteries cut and so little blood? It would make more sense, of course, if he had been killed beforehand and his heart was no longer pumping blood...
Finally...
I think the problem is the sheer number of things wrong with this.
I mean, it's weird this guy was investigated in the 9/11 attacks, no? Apparently, one of the terrorists just sat down next to him on a bus and he let them use his laptop. (At least, that's what the investigation that decided his innocence concluded) Uhhhh.....riiiiight.
And then he's detained in Iraq this year...only the Iraqi military doesn't claim they detained him. In any case, he definately ends up in US military custody eventually. And they hold him for several weeks. In Iraq. Without charging him for anything.
THEN, he is 'released' on April 6th - only nobody can confirm he was released...or was alive when he was released. Then, on April 9th, terrorists somehow manage to kidnap him and execute him on a camcorder.
FINALLY....keep in mind, this guy is CIVILIAN....the body is found just a few days later on the 11th but the military won't return it to the family!
I mean, even excusing the massive number of minor mistakes in the video recording itself that are merely suspicious....the entire chain of events that led UP to this point is ridiculous!
Something is very, very wrong with this entire scenario.
Now, before somebody starts blasting "You America haters, blahblahblah" and "Why can't you see how evil the Muslim world is, blahblahblah" and "Why do you hate his family so much?" that I've seen posted on EVERY OTHER FORUM this topic gets brought up on...
Keep in mind:
- Nobody is saying his death isn't a tragedy
- Nobody is saying we wouldn't ALL be MUCH happier if it never happened
- Nobody is saying that he deserved what happened, that ANYBODY deserved ANY of what has happened so often anymore
It's just that....well, a LOT about this particular incident just doesn't stack up and is extremely suspicious.