TWO more rebellions after Armageddon- is it REALLY "Paradise"?

by gumby 33 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • exjdub
    exjdub
    Aren't you ignoring the fact that "perfect" Adam himself sinned? Was he not "perfect" prior to his having fallen into sin? And what about Satan, wasn't he "perfect" before he began to do wrong things? Just because one is "perfect" doesn't make it impossible for the person to do wrong. People with a million years of life behind them CAN begin to practice badness. Satan is just such an example.

    Schizm,

    I was only responding to your answer that "stupid" people choose to smoke, despite the risk of cancer, when you were trying to explain why perfect people would follow Satan after the 1000 year reign. You are comparing apples/oranges, perfection/imperfection. You need to read posts carefully before you respond to them. I never said that it was impossible for a perfect person to sin. Those are the words that you expressed. The question was: Why would perfect people sin after they saw Satan losing to Jehovah? The theory is stupid. It makes no sense. Once again...People, according to the Society, smoke, or commit other sins because of imperfection. After the 1000 years, people supposedly will be perfect, so stupidity is not an option, it can only be willful, deliberate action. If you don't think so, try reading the publications. I have been out several years and I still know that crap.

    Soooooooooo, back to Gumby's question: Why would a bunch of perfect people that cannot make stupid decisions, only deliberate wicked ones, choose to follow a being that got his ass kicked twice and was bound for 1000 years, then released by the powerful being that put him there? What circumstances are there that would exist that would make a (perfect) person bet on the underdog, Satan, after he has had his ass whipped repeatedly? Are they choosing the point spread on that one and can't resist the underdog paying big money? If I, an average, dumb, imperfect, person can see the odds on that one, shouldn't a (edited to read) perfect person be able to reason it out?

    So if I have it straight, I have the choice to return to the Organization, put up with their corruption and bullcrap, wait for the day when I will be perfect, only to be dumber than I am now to the point that I can't reason out the impossible odds of Satan winning the whole shootin' match. Where do I sign up??????? The whole theory is the most ridiculous thing ever made up by religion. I hate to be redundant...but I am so happy to be free of the mind numbing stupidity of the Witlesses!

    exjdub

    I almost forgot. In addition to all of the above, perfect people know that Jehovah can't lie and that his word does not go out from his mouth without results. So, once again, they can't reason that prophecies from Jehovah predict the demise of Satan (the bruising in the head)???? Now THAT's stupid. If I only could suspend all of my reason I could become an unreasoning animal again.

  • gumby
    gumby
    So, if this was 1914 The Troof would be teaching that us bad guys would survive Armagedumb

    But this isn't 1914 and this isn't what current JW's believe.

    Your on Jehovah's side(inside the Organisation) or your not. That's it.

    Gumby

  • exjdub
    exjdub

    Schizm,

    Where are you? You don't have an answer to the question?????????

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep
    But this isn't 1914 and this isn't what current JW's believe.

    Your on Jehovah's side(inside the Organisation) or your not. That's it.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the IBS were still teaching this stuff in 1919 when they were selected

    It wasn't until after Rutherford took control of the Publishing Company that they started pounding out his 'high control' doctrines.

    It should be noted that, even though Rutherford had the propaganda machine, he only took a third of the IBS members with him. The other two thirds stuck with the teachings of Russell, under which they had been selected. Leaving the teachings of 1919 makes Rutherford and his JWs the Apostates. The JW history books tell their own whitewashed version of this of course. My Mum cringes at the mere mention of those filthy apostate IBSs and was gobsmacked when I told her that I look up her older publications on IBS websites. My parents were both under the impression that the IBSs had completely disappeared.

    So, if the doctrines of 1919 under which the IBS were selected as the FDS (this has become the 'Faithful and Discreet Masters of Your Destiny' to the JW rank and file) are correct, the JWs may well find themselves surviving Armagedumb, but would find themselves at the back of the que with the sinners when the favours are handed out.

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