Why didn't Sadam........?

by confusedjw 53 Replies latest social current

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  Xena

  So the US denied them the right to trade with anyone else...the US alone did that? I wasn't aware we had that kind of power..interesting...the UN wasn't involved at all?

  And again...do we have an obligation to trade with anyone?

  Realist you come to an ex dub site, never having been a dub and then proceed to expect someone like myself to be up to date on political issues that occurred during a time I wasn't allowed to have any involvement in politics or even allowed political thought. Yea I do need to read up on it now that I am out...I will put that on my list of things to do..in the mean time I believe I was civil to you, there was no need to be a jackass when I was trying to get a clearer understanding of where you were coming from.
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  Realist

  xena,

  in the mean time I believe I was civil to you, there was no need to be a jackass when I was trying to get a clearer understanding of where you were coming from.

  perhaps i misread a couple of your comments like "Humor me for a minute will you realist?" or " it gets boring to watch him dance" directed against me recently.

  if so i apologize.
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  Crazy151drinker

  no they were not. you should perhaps read about this issue.

  Then how did he get those gold sinks? I dont remember Saddam starving to death. If had the BILLIONS to build palaces then he had BILLIONS to buy food for his people. The fact is SADDAM screwed his people not us. He started the whole thing anyways so stop blaming us.

  Blame the Brits.
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  Realist

  crazy,

  of course the leadership is not affected by an embargo! this is the whole point! this is what makes it so despicable. there is a boykott against cuba for 30 years...is the result that castro is starving? no of course not. the result is that the population lives in total poverty.

  was hussein partially to blame for this? of course! the guy was interestedin his survival not that of the opposing ethnic groups in the country. but than again he doesn't run around and tells the world what a great benefactor he is.
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  Xena

  "it gets boring to watch him dance"

  Geez man that was like weeks ago... and you do dance around a subject in a most amusing manner...

  Hows about we stick with this thread though?

  "Humor me for a minute will you realist?"

  Aka indulge me and explain to me...did the US act all on it's own in this embargo? Are they obligated to trade with anyone?

  How is that not asking a civil question? If you don't want to discuss it then say so.....but don't patronize me. You come here and look down on my lack of politicial knowledge and question my statement that I wouldn't randomly kill people regardless of the circumstances....you don't know me...you don't know my life expererience and you certainly don't know anything about being a JW and not being allowed to have a political viewpoint.
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  tyydyy

  Realist,

  Actually, I don't know how you can blame the US for the trade sanctions. The sanctions were UN sanctions. Voted on by the voting members of the UN. (not the JWs since they didn't actually have a vote). Even if it were true that the US was the sole decision maker in this issue, do you have any evidence that the people who died in that period wouldn't have died if they had been able to trade with the rest of the world? How many of those were killed by Sadaam and buried in the mass graves? How many died of natural causes?

  Don't get me wrong. I think that this conflict has been mishandled for the last 20 years but I don't think it's necessary to fabricate inflamatory propaganda.

  TimB
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  Simon

  Embargos and sanctions actually have the oppsite effect to those intended (or pretended) - they reinforce the power of the dictator.

  Look at Saddam, Ghaddaffi, Castro and others .... they all kept power for a long long time.

  Lack of resources means that the opposition do not have the means to overthrow them and peoples attention is more on 'survival' than the politics of who is in charge.
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  Realist

  tyydyy,

  about the UN...who is risking a conflict with the US for the sake of iraqi civilians? only jemen was brave enough to vote against the iraq resolutions despite US threats of cancelling trade and aid.

  Even if it were true that the US was the sole decision maker in this issue, do you have any evidence that the people who died in that period wouldn't have died if they had been able to trade with the rest of the world?

  the death rate of children, old people and sick people doubled after the sanction were put into place. according to what i have read this is attributed to the sanctions.

  i would not be surprised if hussein restricted the limted food imports to the loyal part of the population though.
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  Xena

  Realist quotes...

  as so many times before you try to twist my words. i never condoned what hussein actually did. the death of hundreds of thousands of civilinas due to the US embargo (long before the oil for food program started) is to be blamed on the US and no one else!

  i would not be surprised if hussein restricted the limted food imports to the loyal part of the population though.

  So which is it? Do we blame the US and the US only or do we blame the US and hussein and perhaps a few other nations that participated in the UN vote?

  I have no problem agreeing that the US is part of the problem, what I resent is your crediting it with the entire problem when there were more factors involved.

  I agree Simon the embargos seem to have the opposite effect of their intent. Seems to be the circle of life though, the rich and powerful use and abuse the system to their benefit and the poor and powerless reap the misery and abuse. To be honest I don't see a solution, do you?
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  Realist

  xena,

  is to be blamed on the US and no one else!

  yep that was an exaggeration.