y questions regarding JW's from a non JW

by North Girl 12 Replies latest jw friends

  • North Girl
    North Girl

    Sorry.. this may be long I have been reading in forums and on other web sites and have some questions that some may think are silly or that the answers are obvious. I have step sons being raised witness and am just curious.. Thank in advance to any answers

    1) what is meant by saying not dressed like a JW.. is there a specific code?

    2) are only men allowed to rise in position in the Hall?

    3) Are young marriages encouraged?

    4) are you allowed to associate (as friends or date) non JW's?

    5) are kids discouraged from after school activities and if so why?

    6) are the woman discouraged from working? Most I have met are not employed. just a note that I've noticed that the ones I have met are great with make up and hair (just an observation)

    7) can anyone attend a convention

    Thats all for now.. thanks

  • Sassy
    Sassy

    I'm trying to set something up on my computer... so.. I can't put the appropriate words in type at the moment.. but I know you are going to get some great answers in here and I promise to come back!

    Some of us had the pleasure of meeting North Girl in chat earlier today!! She is trying to understand the religion in order to understand what her step boys are going through, which I find sooooo admirable.. she wants to be able to help them..

    Please everyone welcome North Girl to the board!

  • Celtic
    Celtic

    Ello North Girl, welcome to the board, I'll do my level headed best to answer you briefly though I'm sure others will elaborate, my names Mark btw, how do you do?

    Of specific dress code, men are encouraged to wear suits and by their dress code not try to draw attention to themselves, this would be seen as drawing glory to themselves rather than bringing glory to Jehovah. Women are to dress modestly, no skirts above the kneww and to cover up other bodily areas so as not to 'stumble' others. A head covering is to be worn in the presence of unbaptised brothers or when no brother baptised is present to lead for example, a field ministry arrangement.

    Yes only men can rise to positions of authority in the congregation, women, or sisters are encouraged to become either auxiliary or regular pioneers only.

    Young marriages I wouldn't say are exactly encouraged though courtships often begin at a rather young age. (The fear of committing fornication maybe)

    Association with non witnesses must be kept to an absolute minimum, in the work place one can obviously associate to a certain level with non believers, but beyond that, no.

    After school activities are all discouraged.

    Women discouraged from working, aye I would say that is an accurate assessment of the facts.

    Anyone yes can attend a convention.

    Kindest regards and all best wishes, good to see you here taking an interest.

    Mark

  • TrailBlazer04
    TrailBlazer04

    Welcome North Girl!

    I have stepkids that are JW. I've spent quite a bit of time researching...

    The folks here are great for support, sympathy, an ear, a shoulder...

    TB

  • gold_morning
    gold_morning

    Welcome North Girl,

    Dress Codes: Well, not specifically. There is many unspoken rules. Years ago we stood out more. But meetings at kingdom halls call for a dressy look. Suits.. and woman wear dresses. Heaven forbid woman wear pants. Outside of the kingdom hall you can wear what you want, but it "should" be with good christian taste. Many do not do that

    Positions: Yes.. it is men that climb the so=called ladder. Woman have a subjective role. Although, woman receive a certain amount of prestige if her husband is important in the congregation

    Young Marriages: Yes, many marry young. There is not much else to do. College is refrained upon as well as seeking high paying full time employment. Full time service is what is encouraged. I had married very young. I was engaged at 17 and married just two weeks of my 18th birthday. Eligible men are hard to come by. If I hadn't married him, one of the other girls would have snatched him up. I believe very few marry for love. Dating outside of the organization is looked down on, to say the least. Such marriages and relationships would be difficult as being a Jehovah's Witnesses is a way of life.

    School Activities. Basically, they are a no, no. It would entail worldly association, take time away from the meetings and is considered worldly interests. Many activities they teach hold pagan customs. For example. Very few join Choirs or bands. Choirs sing religious songs from what they feel are pagan religions and bands play patriotic music which is against JW doctrin.

    Many woman work.... more so now than years ago. I found some work part-time, but only should be if needed. Again.... if a woman had time to work part or full time she should be taking that time and pioneering. Hence it is looked down opon.

    Anyone can attend conventions. That is how they hope you will hear the speeches and become interested in the organization.

    This is very brief and basic.......and I have been out along time. I don't think it has changed too much. Hope this helps.

    agape love, Gold morning

  • Bryan
    Bryan

    Welcome North Girl!

    I was in the organization for over 25 years and was a ministerial servant. I have been out for close to ten years. I will answer your questions with my own experiences in mind. There are many here who will give you great answers with Watchtower material as reference.

    "1) what is meant by saying not dressed like a JW.. is there a specific code?"

    The girls must be dresses very conservative. I remember no knees may show. My first wife usually always wore what I call granny dresses, you know, almost to the floor and draped the body so as not to show too many curves. I was counseled when young, for having hair over my ears (My hair covered about 3/4 of my ear), and you certainly didn't grow a beard.

    2) are only men allowed to rise in position in the Hall?

    Yes. Only the men may hold positions of authority. Though the women may give discussions from the platform, they my not look at the audience. They may only speak to other person on stage. Only the men may address those in attendance.

    3) Are young marriages encouraged?

    My experience would be YES. My daughter has a cousin who was just married at 17... His wife was 15 and is now finishing high school. I married at 18, and remember my step-mother saying that it was better to marry young that to have sex without a license.

    4) are you allowed to associate (as friends or date) non JW's?

    At about age 8, I was told I could no longer play with the kids in the neighborhood. The Witnesses feel that all those whom are not Witnesses will soon be dead... destroyed by God! Why would they associate with those whom God hates?

    5) are kids discouraged from after school activities and if so why?

    I wanted to play sports badly in school, but sport is competition, and competition is bad. Also, it takes away from time you could be reading the Watchtower printed material.

    6) are the woman discouraged from working? Most I have met are not employed. just a note that I've noticed that the ones I have met are great with make up and hair (just an observation)

    My daughter, who is still a Witness, is 19. I have been trying to get her to go to college to prepare for a good career, but the Watchtower Organization discourages this... it [college] promotes personal thinking, it opens you mind to Satan (Yoga and meditation also clears or opens your mind allowing Satan in your head I was told). She was thinking of becoming a masseuse. She told me the Organization suggests that if you have a skill it is better you follow that than embark on higher education.

    7) can anyone attend a convention

    As far as I know, anyone can attend, though I have not attended in about 10 years, the rules may have changed... as they usually do.

    Hope this helps! Just my own little personal experiences.

  • Max Divergent
    Max Divergent

    The JW beliefs and religion are quite fragile and brittle, so the rules you ask about are generally there to seperate JW's from 'the world' physically and mentally. Independence and free choice are the enemies of the JW religion and the defences against such evils are quite strong - but it's not that compliance is forced in the sense of physically stopping people from doing what they want to do, so much as the rules are deeply embedded in the social structure and are often strictly enforced with formal sanctions.

    1) what is meant by saying not dressed like a JW.. is there a specific code?

    Out of meetings it's conservative dress, always neat and tidy... and modest... Anyone who dresses outside of the accepted style/code is treated with suspicion. Revealing or tight clothing is associated with immodesty and unchasteness; highly fashionable clothing is associated with immodesty, rebelion or 'making a showy display' of self, the list goes on, but modesty, conformity and blending in are the basic rules. Modesty, modesty, modesty... it's always modesty....

    The code for meetings is conservitive business dress - suits, ties, long skirts, that sort of thing, but always modest...

    2) are only men allowed to rise in position in the Hall?

    Yes. The only 'position' open to women is to be a 'Pioneer'. That's a full time volenteer evangeliser, it used to be 90 hours a month and mostly they support themselves with part time work. Oddly, it's quite a popular thing to do. It's quite a prestigious position and allows a certain 'holier than thou' status.

    3) Are young marriages encouraged?

    No, but they are common. That's probably because of the strictly enforced ban on premarital sex.

    4) are you allowed to associate (as friends or date) non JW's?

    Friends - not really, but it's strongly discouraged more than banned. The way JW's are trained to think also makes it hard to form and maintain relationships with people who don't think the same way. Someone who's spending a lot of time with non-JW's would be treated with suspicion.

    Dating non-JW's is a no-no and will provoke a lot of 'counsel' from the elders, but it's more the effect on the JW's adherence to the religion that's at issue than the dating. If someone was determined to marry a non-JW and did so, I don't think they'd always be removed from the JW's (unless they spent too much time alone in a house before the wedding, then they'd be presumed to have had sex and would probably to disfellowshipped), but they would be very marginalised socially and religiously... It's basicly banned and is quite rare. When it happens, it's usually women who do so.

    5) are kids discouraged from after school activities and if so why?

    Strongly discouraged and socially unacceptable. It distracts them from JW activity and molds their way of thinking in ways that are contrary to the way that JW's need to think to stay JW's and dedicate their lives to JW's. Dedication to the football team is taking away from dedication to religious life.

    6) are the woman discouraged from working? Most I have met are not employed. just a note that I've noticed that the ones I have met are great with make up and hair (just an observation)

    No, many work. They do tend toward traditional family structures and it's fairly common for women to stay at home, but it's not a religious matter whether women work or don't work. Religious issues would only arise if the nature of the work or time spent there had an adverse effect on their 'spirituality' (like reducing meeting attendance). That's the same for men but in the case of a wife there is a religious issue: either the husband is failing to provide, or they're being materialistic. Then we get into the 'headship arrangements', and that's quite complex...

    Hair and make-up? It's a very competitive business being the best looking woman at the meeting and to do so within the modesty rules! I'm told it's the main sport amongst the women to scrutinise in minute detail what the others are wearing and how they're made up and all that... perfection is the only acceptable standard.

    7) can anyone attend a convention

    Yes, they're very keen to have as many there as possible (although security is said to be more of an issue now than it used to be, so that may be changing). The public can attend all their events.

  • exjdub
    exjdub

    Welcome to the forum North Girl! You have already received some great answers so I will just say that I hope you stay and I look forward to seeing more posts from you.

    exjdub

  • Corvin
    Corvin
    3) Are young marriages encouraged?

    On the surface, young marriages are not encouraged. The reality is that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witness would rather have you screw up your life and get married at such a tender age rather than masturbate or have premarital sex.

  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    In real life north this is what role model do JWs "good examples". What the average JW does is different. I did not want to argue every point. So i'll broad brush it with jws are like a fundimentalist church where conformity is drilled from the podium every meeting. If you dont conform then they some try to find sins you have comitted and use them to put you out of the church. It is like the 700club mixed with survivor.

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